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explode the bazaar or e-ticket ride into

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the world of the paranoid

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds

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cryptozoology waters as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night now your electrifying hosts of

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exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

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team sports one two three four one two

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three four Tim oh why are you walking

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around in a circle with a ripe one over

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your shoulder well we've got some nasty

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aliens afoot tonight and I'm protecting

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our guest to the radio station I mean we

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got a vigil in here well what kind of

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gun is that you're carrying well what

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else my official issue Flash Gordon

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Raygun oh boy to get corner every week

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there's nothing there's nothing like

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[Laughter]

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Jasper Indiana Oh everything is is going

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right here in Jasper

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beautiful weather it's almost summer

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time and and and we've got a we've got a

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great show tonight because we're gonna

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be addressing our favorite subject oh

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you bet and you know just by coincidence

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and of course there is no coincidence as

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far as I'm concerned it just happens to

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coincide our topic tonight or about this

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little hazy aliens the ones that you you

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know you want to cover your back because

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you don't know whether there

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today they may not be as good as they

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seem to be a pretend to be or what other

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people say that they are because we just

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came out with a book and I mean this

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sucker is 450 pages is called UFO

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hostilities and the evil alien agenda

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lethal encounters with alter

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terrestrials exposed invasion abduction

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implants vanished and death not

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necessarily in that order

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so our guest tonight I think will have

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something to add to the the subject of

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UFO hostility and we better cover all

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our parameters so here just to be on the

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the safe side I know Darrell is the

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Alien Hunter but it could never be two

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of Shourd well that's that's right well

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I mean and with Darrell and when you say

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Darrell it's narrow Sims we also have

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Alan Godfrey so I mean this UFOs and

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possible alien interactions that's

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something that we just we love to talk

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about here on exploring the bizarre well

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why don't you go ahead and introduce our

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guests oh yeah definitely well okay Alan

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Godfrey now Alan was born in June of

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1947 now you know you're talking about

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synchronicities there you go Jay there's

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a great synchronicity well he was born

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he was born a few days.the the weeks

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before I was because I'm a July 47 baby

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myself there you go and so Alan's family

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lived in the town of Todmorden which I

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think I'm pronouncing that correctly

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which swayed at the center of Three

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Valleys merging together and they became

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known as UFO Valley in later years now

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Godfrey is probably best known for his

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discovery along with another officer of

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coal yard the body found at the top of a

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top of that Godfrey had his own unusual

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close encounter with a UFO which which

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his life now he is the author of the

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book who or what were they using the

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notes and recordings that he made over

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those years while he was still serving

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as a police officer now with us tonight

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also as I said is Derrel Sims the Alien

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Hunter now Darryl was the world's

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he's 38 plus years of field research has

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focused on physical evidence and led to

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his groundbreaking discovery of alien

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fluorescence am i pronouncing that right

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Darryl you are that is correct

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yeah all right so now Darryl is a former

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military police officer and CIA

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operative and has a unique insight on

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the alien organization which he believes

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agency Sims is also a compassionate and

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skilled therapist who has helped

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the world come to terms with what they

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have witnessed now Sims discovered the

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alien implant phenomenon and pioneered

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research protocols orchestrating first

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implants from the human body now Darryl

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zelphia also the author of the books

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Alien Hunter the evidence in light a

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book about alien abductions evidence and

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alien hunter evidence and truth about

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alien imprint the implants so Darryl

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Allen thank you very much for being with

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us tonight on exploring the bizarre well

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well you know I just wanna I just want

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to say at the beginning

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show that it I'm really excited about

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interviewing Alan and I have not spoke

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to a Darryl in in quite a number of

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years when we were putting on our UFO

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conferences out west mainly in San Diego

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and in Phoenix Arizona a Darrell would

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come and speak to our group and he's got

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some really hardcore evidence I mean you

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certainly and it is a controversial

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factor among UFO researchers some of

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whom say well you know under hypnosis

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you're likely to remember anything and a

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lot of business memories and I'm sure

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we'll get into that this evening but

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mean he comes packing evidence physical

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evidence that you're not likely to see

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you know anywhere else but I do want to

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start out our little discussion here

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this evening with Alan and you know Alan

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with your book it is a very readable and

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I think people will get a lot about a

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lot about your case by picking it up and

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reading it because it gives a lot of

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details not only about the year case

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itself but about your own your own the

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background and growing up in the UK and

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so forth now I think I want to start

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when was that exactly and how I've

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well good hello from the UK to Tim Kim

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and Darryl oh you're all panting well

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understand me

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oh absolutely absolutely all right so go

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you worry what you know I don't get the

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impression that you were a big you know

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not an investigator I'm merely a witness

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to two very strange events that occurred

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been a discovery of a dead body in a

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strange danger because it was absolutely

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yard it was a shape a horseshoe with

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corals all around the edging and swim in

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the middle next to the call hopper as

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the stack of kool-aid I'm going to guess

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the back by railway sleepers wooden

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the body you have to climb these railway

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sleepers which are very wet and slippery

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more senior PC than I was he'd been in

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the job a bit longer than me and he was

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this shout anyway I I saw him climb up

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and I watched what he was doing and he

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he went he kept looking down at me and

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shaking his head and he came back down

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look so I climbed the sleepers as he got

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to the top he was quite he was level

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with the body and yeah as I looked I

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his head his face his eyes were wide

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properly or they've been poor in my

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to death and he was just lying on his

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back facing upwards daddy's out his arms

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were kinda across his body near the

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tummy area but those eyes and I've seen

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quite a few dead bodies in my service

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those eyes the there was something about

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them that it made you go backwards

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anyway Elaine

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down and I turn I turned his head over

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to the left-hand side and you could see

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the burn marks their individual burn

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marks at the as I said at the crown of

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the head the era of being here was crop

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right short but it looked roughly

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cropped he didn't look like a bar blood

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this open tight room and there was a

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green yellowy substance had been smeared

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actually unto to what it was came back

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down under where we Malcolm we both

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agreed that we needed to call our way

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call CID which I don't what the

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equivalent is in in America Vote lead

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they don't wear uniforms are in that

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like they attended the scene and then

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there was a procession then of senior

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officers and other CID and doctor and

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this poor surgeon came and pronounced

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but in England the dead bodies not dead

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till the doctor says he's dead even if

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he said were missing the body then was

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photographed by Annette were scenes of

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crime officers and the body was taken

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away to Hebden Bridge the local mortuary

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and the pathologist performed as you

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could say over there an autopsy later

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that day and he took a sample of the

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substance that was smeared on the wound

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at the back of the neck

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and that was sent away to our forensic

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laboratories home office forensic

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laboratories at Weatherby North

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Yorkshire and when I jump a few bits now

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when that report came back from the

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pathology I've just lost me words for a

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minute to apologize from the forensic

288
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laboratories they couldn't describe or

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dident if I what the substance was which

290
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was seeping gobsmacking when you think

291
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of everything

292
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I was scientists couldn't identify what

293
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that substance was that have been

294
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smeared on the back of this guy's neck

295
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and investigations patrol that I've been

296
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going on trying to find out who the guy

297
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was he wasn't local and it transpired

298
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that he came from a little village

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called tingly near Wakefield in West

300
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Yorkshire

301
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some 20 25 miles away and he'd been

302
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reported missing from home for six days

303
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it was called Sigmund Adamski was 56

304
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years of age it was a semicolon he was

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retiring from the call it was a coal

306
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miner and it were in for early

307
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retirement but well he did received the

308
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information that he had been retired

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unfortunately it arrived after he died

310
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in no connection with the town of Tom

311
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burden whatsoever no relatives as far as

312
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we know he'd never been here before and

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it was just a complete mystery

314
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eventually it was a what we call an

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inquest and at the inquest deeper the

316
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home office record if you like the

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coroner said it was left an open verdict

318
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he wasn't very unhappy with that there

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were no information coming forward from

320
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anybody and by which why was a year what

321
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happened to him where has he been for

322
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the last six days there was nothing and

323
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he left an open verdict and but the

324
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surprising thing was that I wasn't

325
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called Malcolm wasn't called the owner

326
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of the coal yard I believe wasn't called

327
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a leading firemen who work part-time for

328
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the coal yard have been in attendance of

329
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the coal yard itself some say two hours

330
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before the body was discovered yet to

331
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post-mortem he the pathologist had given

332
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the time of death which would have

333
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coincided with being before the leading

334
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firemen had attended a quarry on which

335
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leads you to believe well if he wasn't

336
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there two hours after his allegedly died

337
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where the LED beam never there's been a

338
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coupler

339
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well I always under thought over these

340
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years many years ago obviously now

341
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there's two things one did he have a

342
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heart attack which is what the coroner

343
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said yeah and why would a man with a

344
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dick er climb a stack of coal in the

345
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pouring rain on his own

346
00:19:08,950 --> 00:19:07,379
lie down on his back and die doesn't

347
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make sense

348
00:19:16,909 --> 00:19:13,200
somewhere else

349
00:19:20,509 --> 00:19:16,919
moved the body why would they stick him

350
00:19:25,450 --> 00:19:20,519
on top of a pile of Holly again how

351
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trying to say if he died from natural

352
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causes

353
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like the pathologist said he did then

354
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surely wherever we was with him at the

355
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time

356
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would have called for an ambulance you

357
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know it makes sense to look now if he

358
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was with say somebody

359
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this is surmise and he's not never been

360
00:19:52,210 --> 00:19:49,159
proven it's just my thoughts if he'd

361
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been held against his will shall we say

362
00:19:58,460 --> 00:19:56,789
and he died you dumped the body I did

363
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you wouldn't stick it on top of a pile

364
00:20:04,940 --> 00:20:02,399
of coal they just the old scenario it

365
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doesn't make sense now obviously since

366
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that time

367
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plenty of media people papers radio TV

368
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:15,870
we've all tried to get over the file and

369
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I'm sorry to say it's classified as soon

370
00:20:24,140 --> 00:20:21,960
as the inquest was over you cannot get

371
00:20:30,890 --> 00:20:24,150
it over that file I love them the money

372
00:20:33,649 --> 00:20:30,900
oh is it classified by you tell me their

373
00:20:35,299 --> 00:20:33,659
rubber stomach yeah because here here

374
00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:35,309
here in the US I don't know if it's the

375
00:20:40,820 --> 00:20:39,360
same in the UK if it's a police case

376
00:20:44,330 --> 00:20:40,830
like that would be a matter of public

377
00:20:46,430 --> 00:20:44,340
record all the fight files including if

378
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they're ready 9-1-1 calls or anything

379
00:20:52,399 --> 00:20:49,200
like that I mean are almost immediately

380
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made public perhaps unless it has

381
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something to do with a juvenile or

382
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something along that no I know where

383
00:20:58,399 --> 00:20:57,000
you're coming from

384
00:21:01,360 --> 00:20:58,409
well that would normally happen in

385
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England ninety-nine percent of the time

386
00:21:08,690 --> 00:21:05,610
yeah for some reason this particular

387
00:21:11,690 --> 00:21:08,700
case zilch

388
00:21:13,460 --> 00:21:11,700
what was their military interest in it I

389
00:21:16,100 --> 00:21:13,470
mean did somebody come along from the

390
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:16,110
mod what was Nick Pope climbing up the

391
00:21:32,899 --> 00:21:30,330
ladder with you or well I'm a no man yes

392
00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:32,909
no no but I mean was there any military

393
00:21:38,980 --> 00:21:35,520
interest in this later on or at any

394
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:38,990
point all I can say to you is that

395
00:21:44,779 --> 00:21:42,330
sometime later after they after all the

396
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:44,789
incidents I'm getting a bit with sore

397
00:21:55,340 --> 00:21:53,010
throat I do apologize I was called after

398
00:21:58,520 --> 00:21:55,350
the dead body right because I'm Sigma 2

399
00:22:01,909 --> 00:21:58,530
dansgame he was six months later and had

400
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:01,919
my encounter and when they are being

401
00:22:09,409 --> 00:22:06,450
counter I was calling to one of the

402
00:22:13,730 --> 00:22:09,419
bosses offices as you've obviously read

403
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:13,740
in the book and I was reminded that I'd

404
00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:15,690
signed the Official Secrets Act which is

405
00:22:20,289 --> 00:22:17,679
a big thing in Britain

406
00:22:22,959 --> 00:22:20,299
and under that I was ordered not to

407
00:22:28,599 --> 00:22:22,969
speak about zigmund Adamski on our UFO

408
00:22:30,699 --> 00:22:28,609
encounter so for the consequences so the

409
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:30,709
identity that would be that would be a

410
00:22:48,399 --> 00:22:45,200
prolonged sore throat well that just

411
00:22:52,539 --> 00:22:48,409
seems so so weird I mean talk about

412
00:22:56,139 --> 00:22:52,549
being just you know off the the wall as

413
00:22:59,349 --> 00:22:56,149
the expression goes here I mean it's a

414
00:23:02,199 --> 00:22:59,359
it's a it's a mystery I mean for darn

415
00:23:05,639 --> 00:23:02,209
sure about how the body got up there on

416
00:23:09,549 --> 00:23:05,649
the cold the pile and and what it would

417
00:23:11,889 --> 00:23:09,559
you know why I mean did it look like it

418
00:23:15,219 --> 00:23:11,899
was dropped from the from the from the

419
00:23:15,639 --> 00:23:15,229
air at all was there any nothing like

420
00:23:19,299 --> 00:23:15,649
that

421
00:23:23,319 --> 00:23:19,309
no I can't say all I can say is he was

422
00:23:26,139 --> 00:23:23,329
lying in a position on his back facing

423
00:23:30,489 --> 00:23:26,149
upwards his jacket was undone

424
00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:30,499
his shirt was missing and I hear I hear

425
00:23:37,419 --> 00:23:33,049
a commercial break coming we'll be back

426
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in just a couple of minutes with more of

427
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this exciting news story and we'll be

428
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now that to exploring the bazaar with

429
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two of the most electrifying researchers

430
00:24:06,740 --> 00:24:00,960
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becky

431
00:24:09,259 --> 00:24:06,750
Lange and Taylor Swift's and welcome

432
00:24:13,460 --> 00:24:09,269
back to exploring the bazaar and we're

433
00:24:17,139 --> 00:24:13,470
certainly off to a bizarre start tonight

434
00:24:21,289 --> 00:24:17,149
Tim at this justice incredible story

435
00:24:23,180 --> 00:24:21,299
from Allen so what do we say we we bring

436
00:24:26,990 --> 00:24:23,190
Derrel Sims into the conversation now

437
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:27,000
absolutely a Jim Dandy of a story but I

438
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:28,880
I know

439
00:24:35,930 --> 00:24:31,679
Daryl and like I said many years and

440
00:24:40,190 --> 00:24:35,940
he's got some that will trump that case

441
00:24:41,690 --> 00:24:40,200
maybe or at least equal that Darryl tell

442
00:24:45,049 --> 00:24:41,700
us a little bit about your background I

443
00:24:47,769 --> 00:24:45,059
mean you you have some intelligence

444
00:24:50,930 --> 00:24:47,779
background you were in the military or I

445
00:24:52,730 --> 00:24:50,940
was senior military police officer as a

446
00:24:55,340 --> 00:24:52,740
combat cop

447
00:24:57,919 --> 00:24:55,350
during the Vietnam War era and I

448
00:25:01,159 --> 00:24:57,929
volunteered a left college volunteered

449
00:25:03,470 --> 00:25:01,169
for the Vietnam War and ended up sheep

450
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:03,480
dipped that means taken out of the

451
00:25:08,629 --> 00:25:05,970
military and secretly placed into the

452
00:25:10,039 --> 00:25:08,639
intelligence community on purpose and

453
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:10,049
you're basically your records

454
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,000
disappeared for the time that you're

455
00:25:16,669 --> 00:25:14,880
involved and so nobody knew where I was

456
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:16,679
at and nobody was supposed to inquire

457
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:19,200
and I spent two years in covert

458
00:25:26,180 --> 00:25:24,480
operations in the CIA spy school and it

459
00:25:29,450 --> 00:25:26,190
was a weapons instructor there as well

460
00:25:31,970 --> 00:25:29,460
as a martial arts instructor then I was

461
00:25:36,820 --> 00:25:31,980
I spend my last year in the military in

462
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:36,830
Korea my claim to fame on that one was

463
00:25:40,730 --> 00:25:39,330
fifty assassins from North Korea came

464
00:25:46,009 --> 00:25:40,740
down to kill the president of South

465
00:25:48,409 --> 00:25:46,019
Korea and we got 46 of them three of

466
00:25:49,789 --> 00:25:48,419
them got away and one of them he jumped

467
00:25:52,879 --> 00:25:49,799
out of a three-story building in North

468
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,889
Korean major and shattered his knees and

469
00:25:55,850 --> 00:25:54,480
I was the one who guarded him because

470
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:55,860
they we couldn't trust anybody else

471
00:25:58,460 --> 00:25:57,360
because the Koreans would have poison

472
00:26:01,250 --> 00:25:58,470
even

473
00:26:03,890 --> 00:26:01,260
his life was in the North Koreans later

474
00:26:07,850 --> 00:26:03,900
a few days later came back and tried to

475
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:07,860
actually get him and me so how they knew

476
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:11,010
where he was at was beyond me I had no

477
00:26:17,060 --> 00:26:12,480
idea how they figured that out

478
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:17,070
they had great Intel hmm hopefully they

479
00:26:22,510 --> 00:26:18,450
don't have that anymore

480
00:26:25,490 --> 00:26:22,520
yeah yes but probably not okay okay so

481
00:26:27,409 --> 00:26:25,500
that's a law that's a law there are some

482
00:26:29,539 --> 00:26:27,419
people that are gonna say well at Daryl

483
00:26:32,029 --> 00:26:29,549
a bunch of intelligence always in

484
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:32,039
intelligence can we clear that up and

485
00:26:38,930 --> 00:26:34,770
tell people that you're not being paid

486
00:26:40,610 --> 00:26:38,940
by some agency well if they're paying me

487
00:26:44,270 --> 00:26:40,620
I sure wish didn't send me a check

488
00:26:46,039 --> 00:26:44,280
because I haven't gotten real well for

489
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:46,049
me you know it's been going to the wrong

490
00:26:51,919 --> 00:26:49,919
address yeah agent or something because

491
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:51,929
there's no money involved

492
00:26:56,779 --> 00:26:54,570
now they there's a guy told me one time

493
00:26:58,010 --> 00:26:56,789
that he said once you're in you're

494
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:58,020
always in and I said really

495
00:27:02,750 --> 00:27:00,480
I said are you familiar with the term

496
00:27:03,980 --> 00:27:02,760
family and he says no listen you really

497
00:27:06,289 --> 00:27:03,990
don't know very much about the

498
00:27:08,899 --> 00:27:06,299
intelligence community do you I said

499
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:08,909
first of all once you're family you're

500
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:12,960
not family forever if you do something

501
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:15,360
wrong like write a book exposing the

502
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:18,330
company like Frank Agee did or wolf or

503
00:27:25,789 --> 00:27:21,650
others you're no longer family you are

504
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:25,799
you are you're out you have me it's over

505
00:27:31,789 --> 00:27:29,370
and so the idea that another guy told me

506
00:27:33,980 --> 00:27:31,799
said oh they kill all the CIA agents

507
00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:33,990
when they get older they kill them

508
00:27:40,730 --> 00:27:36,809
that's how you retire I said are you

509
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:40,740
stupid or just mentally deranged who in

510
00:27:44,270 --> 00:27:42,000
the world would join the intelligence

511
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:44,280
community so they say I'm gonna be shot

512
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:47,090
in the head by the no time I'm 45 or 50

513
00:27:53,180 --> 00:27:49,770
that doesn't he makes sense I think

514
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:53,190
you're just being stupid the fact is I

515
00:28:00,110 --> 00:27:55,520
said the CIA agent is not a

516
00:28:04,010 --> 00:28:00,120
quote/unquote spy anyway a CIA agent is

517
00:28:05,690 --> 00:28:04,020
a person who is hired by the CIA you

518
00:28:07,639 --> 00:28:05,700
know they either are witting or

519
00:28:10,639 --> 00:28:07,649
unwitting that means they know they are

520
00:28:11,779 --> 00:28:10,649
working for them or they don't but they

521
00:28:15,249 --> 00:28:11,789
still are

522
00:28:19,340 --> 00:28:15,259
used by the company for that purpose and

523
00:28:21,409 --> 00:28:19,350
I said a spy never calls himself a CIA

524
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:21,419
agent only people like you were ignorant

525
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:25,440
say that he is a case officer in the

526
00:28:31,519 --> 00:28:28,080
formal term for him you can look it up

527
00:28:34,669 --> 00:28:31,529
on internet if you like is a NOC and non

528
00:28:36,139 --> 00:28:34,679
official capacity he's he's a spy no

529
00:28:38,419 --> 00:28:36,149
one's gonna claim him if he gets caught

530
00:28:40,460 --> 00:28:38,429
so that's just the way it works and he's

531
00:28:43,489 --> 00:28:40,470
a case officer that is the truth of it

532
00:28:46,639 --> 00:28:43,499
and I was not a spy I did spy for the

533
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:46,649
company for a short period of time but

534
00:28:51,589 --> 00:28:47,970
it was against their own people and

535
00:28:56,869 --> 00:28:51,599
there was a good reason for it oh okay

536
00:28:59,210 --> 00:28:56,879
so how the heck did you from that to

537
00:29:02,029 --> 00:28:59,220
becoming involved in UFOs did you hat

538
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:02,039
you hadn't experienced yourself I did

539
00:29:10,339 --> 00:29:04,559
the best way to describe that was

540
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:10,349
started at age four in 1952 and I was

541
00:29:15,859 --> 00:29:12,690
the best way to say that is that was a

542
00:29:18,589 --> 00:29:15,869
captive audience and entity was in my

543
00:29:21,139 --> 00:29:18,599
room I had no idea what it was or I

544
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:21,149
thought it was a somebody you know a

545
00:29:27,169 --> 00:29:24,210
little man and whoever it was was

546
00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:27,179
walking away I woke up at the I woke up

547
00:29:31,219 --> 00:29:29,609
at the wrong time I was watching him

548
00:29:33,769 --> 00:29:31,229
walk away and he was walking toward the

549
00:29:35,299 --> 00:29:33,779
wall and I'm thinking to myself he's

550
00:29:38,119 --> 00:29:35,309
going to bump into the wall you know I

551
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:38,129
didn't know he came through it and as

552
00:29:42,859 --> 00:29:40,049
soon as I thought that he turned around

553
00:29:47,839 --> 00:29:42,869
and I heard him without him moving his

554
00:29:53,149 --> 00:29:47,849
little mouth say it's awake and it was

555
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:53,159
me so I was real surprised that I could

556
00:29:59,539 --> 00:29:56,399
hear without him using these little

557
00:30:00,859 --> 00:29:59,549
mouths and the first thing I noticed

558
00:30:01,969 --> 00:30:00,869
about him when he turned around can I

559
00:30:04,820 --> 00:30:01,979
had there was a little bit of light in

560
00:30:08,779 --> 00:30:04,830
the room from old well house well house

561
00:30:13,849 --> 00:30:08,789
outside the of my room and this was in

562
00:30:15,739 --> 00:30:13,859
Midland Texas 1952 and he didn't have a

563
00:30:19,639 --> 00:30:15,749
bellybutton and he didn't have genitalia

564
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:19,649
and to the kid four years old they

565
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:21,570
noticed things like that when you don't

566
00:30:25,030 --> 00:30:23,730
have any clothes and it's in the middle

567
00:30:28,510 --> 00:30:25,040
of winter

568
00:30:32,110 --> 00:30:28,520
so I couldn't figure that out why he

569
00:30:33,850 --> 00:30:32,120
didn't have one and we did and of course

570
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:33,860
after years of investigating I realized

571
00:30:38,410 --> 00:30:35,810
you don't have genitalia you don't

572
00:30:41,650 --> 00:30:38,420
procreate and if you don't have a belly

573
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:41,660
button or enable you weren't born or

574
00:30:49,810 --> 00:30:45,650
hatched cloned or manufactured so now

575
00:30:53,710 --> 00:30:49,820
did you did you carry this interest with

576
00:30:56,590 --> 00:30:53,720
you for you know the up until your adult

577
00:30:59,260 --> 00:30:56,600
life when I mean what was the catalyst

578
00:31:03,070 --> 00:30:59,270
that that then got you going again

579
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:03,080
especially after you no longer were with

580
00:31:09,010 --> 00:31:06,320
the intelligence service well they think

581
00:31:12,130 --> 00:31:09,020
it happened which was in kind of in

582
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:12,140
conjunction with that time as for

583
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:15,290
between 4 years old and 17 I had

584
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:18,080
approximately ten events hmm that

585
00:31:25,780 --> 00:31:21,200
happened and at age 17 my events ended

586
00:31:28,030 --> 00:31:25,790
violently at age 17 and I was glad that

587
00:31:30,730 --> 00:31:28,040
that all stopped and that it I put it

588
00:31:33,070 --> 00:31:30,740
all behind me and that sort of thing but

589
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:33,080
then something horrific happened it

590
00:31:41,380 --> 00:31:38,480
changed me from a UFO abductees whatever

591
00:31:46,230 --> 00:31:41,390
you want to call it experience or or

592
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:46,240
whatever it is before before you go on

593
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:50,090
was there any what's the word here link

594
00:31:55,300 --> 00:31:52,010
between each of these events that

595
00:31:57,820 --> 00:31:55,310
happened I mean were you meeting the

596
00:32:00,090 --> 00:31:57,830
same entities are seeing the same

597
00:32:04,180 --> 00:32:00,100
entities did they communicate anything

598
00:32:07,690 --> 00:32:04,190
to you great question

599
00:32:09,970 --> 00:32:07,700
when I was still a little boy I was in

600
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:09,980
3rd grade at that time I moved to my

601
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:13,010
Hill New Mexico and I spent 13 years in

602
00:32:22,660 --> 00:32:15,770
New Mexico where I went the military and

603
00:32:25,060 --> 00:32:22,670
came to the Houston area or Texas I went

604
00:32:28,570 --> 00:32:25,070
out to the restroom we had we were

605
00:32:30,490 --> 00:32:28,580
building a house little house and the

606
00:32:32,410 --> 00:32:30,500
only restroom we had back then and

607
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:32,420
that's like I said third grade as a long

608
00:32:37,180 --> 00:32:35,810
time ago was a little outhouse basically

609
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:37,190
it's a bathroom it's just a little

610
00:32:40,830 --> 00:32:38,320
square box

611
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:40,840
with a bathroom in it no commode or

612
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:43,330
anything and I went out to use the

613
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:47,050
bathroom is at night and when I shut the

614
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:49,570
door I was absolutely stunned shocked

615
00:32:56,190 --> 00:32:52,570
and horrified there was the same cosmic

616
00:32:58,590 --> 00:32:56,200
skinhead that had abducted abducted me

617
00:33:01,380 --> 00:32:58,600
every time you I don't know how they all

618
00:33:03,690 --> 00:33:01,390
looked the same but if her may end up in

619
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:03,700
a room I could pick him out and I don't

620
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:06,450
know how I don't know why but I could

621
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:08,890
but anyway he was there and he took me

622
00:33:14,610 --> 00:33:12,250
to see something that I could not

623
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:14,620
understand at all

624
00:33:20,790 --> 00:33:16,450
there was a seven-foot praying mantis

625
00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:20,800
being the next day all I remember it was

626
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:22,510
just that event but I couldn't

627
00:33:27,090 --> 00:33:24,640
understand why the next day I wonder

628
00:33:28,770 --> 00:33:27,100
Saturday I was catching little

629
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:28,780
grasshoppers I like animals

630
00:33:32,910 --> 00:33:30,730
I mean I rescued literally thousands of

631
00:33:35,250 --> 00:33:32,920
animals of all kinds everything from

632
00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:35,260
Bengal tigers and snakes birds you

633
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:37,860
anything you can imagine I've done and

634
00:33:43,550 --> 00:33:40,570
I'm out there tearing the heads off of

635
00:33:46,140 --> 00:33:43,560
little grasshoppers by the hundreds and

636
00:33:49,140 --> 00:33:46,150
I can't figure out why am I being cruel

637
00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:49,150
to these animals and I got the head of a

638
00:33:53,700 --> 00:33:51,310
grasshopper real close to me and I

639
00:33:57,510 --> 00:33:53,710
looked at it and I realized oh my gosh

640
00:34:00,120 --> 00:33:57,520
that's the wrong guy it was the praying

641
00:34:03,330 --> 00:34:00,130
mantis head I was looking for not the

642
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:03,340
grasshopper well now did the praying

643
00:34:12,450 --> 00:34:07,290
mantis okay among these this a group of

644
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:12,460
of beings did he have a purpose there or

645
00:34:17,370 --> 00:34:15,370
did he seem to be in control of the

646
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:17,380
situation would you say that he was of

647
00:34:23,390 --> 00:34:20,560
higher intelligence and the others the

648
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:23,400
little gray has an IQ of about eighty

649
00:34:28,919 --> 00:34:27,370
there they make huge mistakes they're

650
00:34:31,530 --> 00:34:28,929
not they're actually made this way on

651
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:31,540
purpose your hats clone or manufactured

652
00:34:34,530 --> 00:34:33,010
like I said I don't have genitalia they

653
00:34:38,090 --> 00:34:34,540
got no bellybutton they weren't born

654
00:34:40,830 --> 00:34:38,100
they're like toasters in my opinion and

655
00:34:42,750 --> 00:34:40,840
they make huge mistakes they drop you

656
00:34:44,490 --> 00:34:42,760
off the wrong locations sometimes they

657
00:34:47,540 --> 00:34:44,500
put someone else's clothes on you and

658
00:34:50,130 --> 00:34:47,550
you have real tough time explaining that

659
00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:50,140
puts us in a wrong room outside the

660
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:52,510
wrong house and we've got cases

661
00:34:57,870 --> 00:34:54,310
where they literally put the wrong guy

662
00:35:03,440 --> 00:34:57,880
driving the car and on top of that they

663
00:35:10,410 --> 00:35:07,470
for big boys for talents Colorado and

664
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:10,420
then it ended up down hard Texas and the

665
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:15,370
wrong guys driving the car so that can

666
00:35:20,430 --> 00:35:16,960
get that can get you in trouble

667
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:20,440
yeah sure can the Mantis being is got an

668
00:35:25,710 --> 00:35:23,650
IQ of it's very high I like him take

669
00:35:27,810 --> 00:35:25,720
then there's the second kind of the

670
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:27,820
little gray and interested one that

671
00:35:31,770 --> 00:35:29,050
looks just like him but he's bigger

672
00:35:33,570 --> 00:35:31,780
taller and he's often referred to as the

673
00:35:36,510 --> 00:35:33,580
doctor he'll sometimes where even a

674
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:36,520
little coat and usually if they wear

675
00:35:43,020 --> 00:35:38,850
clothing it's a sign of rank or position

676
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:43,030
and even among their kind but the

677
00:35:48,420 --> 00:35:47,050
fascinating thing about all these

678
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:48,430
entities whether they're I don't care

679
00:35:51,810 --> 00:35:49,330
whether it's Bigfoot

680
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:51,820
I don't care whether it's the little

681
00:35:56,850 --> 00:35:54,450
great all of them if you look at them

682
00:35:59,700 --> 00:35:56,860
objectively and we got the police

683
00:36:01,170 --> 00:35:59,710
officer here he would he would notice

684
00:36:03,210 --> 00:36:01,180
this right off the bat we start looking

685
00:36:07,170 --> 00:36:03,220
at all these entities in the I call it

686
00:36:09,090 --> 00:36:07,180
the usual suspects a lineup like a

687
00:36:12,210 --> 00:36:09,100
police lineup if you line them all up

688
00:36:14,850 --> 00:36:12,220
together look at them you're not looking

689
00:36:19,740 --> 00:36:14,860
at seven races of people you're looking

690
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:19,750
at seven models that were made the DNA

691
00:36:25,650 --> 00:36:21,970
comes from here where'd he get praying

692
00:36:27,150 --> 00:36:25,660
mantis DNA probably not on Jupiter where

693
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:27,160
you going to get Nordic or the human

694
00:36:32,670 --> 00:36:30,370
so-called alien that the DNA probably

695
00:36:34,410 --> 00:36:32,680
comes from Earth so when you look at

696
00:36:36,930 --> 00:36:34,420
every one of these entities Bigfoot I

697
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:36,940
don't care what they are the DNA comes

698
00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:38,530
from here even the Native Americans my

699
00:36:46,170 --> 00:36:42,910
buddies Zuni and Navajo and other

700
00:36:47,940 --> 00:36:46,180
buddies I said yeah but the gray I said

701
00:36:50,610 --> 00:36:47,950
listen to me what did you call him a

702
00:36:53,340 --> 00:36:50,620
long time ago but we call him the ant

703
00:36:56,910 --> 00:36:53,350
people I said do you know that on your

704
00:36:59,880 --> 00:36:56,920
own petroglyphs on the walls of these

705
00:37:03,960 --> 00:36:59,890
ancient ancient walls thousand years ago

706
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:03,970
the same grey alien the same aliens had

707
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:05,890
antennae that's why

708
00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:08,800
you called him the ant people and they

709
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:11,110
live in the earth I said the DNA is

710
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:14,290
coming from here the question is why is

711
00:37:18,270 --> 00:37:16,330
somebody doing that hatching cloning

712
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:18,280
manufacturing these guys sent them to

713
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:20,320
here to convince us they came from

714
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:24,400
another planet who is doing that it's

715
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:26,050
very good question

716
00:37:31,020 --> 00:37:29,200
they're basically two theories and you

717
00:37:34,830 --> 00:37:31,030
can either accept or reject either one

718
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:34,840
of them but Sitchin in some of his books

719
00:37:42,810 --> 00:37:37,440
and and others who follow that mentality

720
00:37:45,630 --> 00:37:42,820
claim that that the ancient ancient ones

721
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:45,640
came down from the heavens but in the

722
00:37:49,290 --> 00:37:47,410
Hebrew that's not the way it actually

723
00:37:51,450 --> 00:37:49,300
reads I couldn't figure out why does it

724
00:37:54,570 --> 00:37:51,460
Scott was a so-called Sumerian scholar

725
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:54,580
and he can't even translate the the the

726
00:37:58,770 --> 00:37:56,560
words properly because he's reading

727
00:38:01,260 --> 00:37:58,780
Hebrew or Sumerian it means they were

728
00:38:02,910 --> 00:38:01,270
kicked out of heaven they weren't they

729
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:02,920
didn't leave under on the court they

730
00:38:09,570 --> 00:38:07,570
were thrown out so the two stories are

731
00:38:11,850 --> 00:38:09,580
one of his a kind of a biblical version

732
00:38:13,590 --> 00:38:11,860
the elements a Sumerian version but

733
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:13,600
they're very very similar that's my

734
00:38:19,260 --> 00:38:15,610
whole point is they're very very similar

735
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:19,270
these two primary views are spread

736
00:38:25,230 --> 00:38:21,610
pretty much around the world and if you

737
00:38:26,940 --> 00:38:25,240
go to India and I have in fact I did my

738
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:26,950
last implant surgery there a year and a

739
00:38:33,390 --> 00:38:30,730
half ago at the 25th one that we've done

740
00:38:34,770 --> 00:38:33,400
so far and while I was there I went to

741
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:34,780
their National Museum took some pictures

742
00:38:40,170 --> 00:38:37,570
the lady said is that it and I said

743
00:38:43,380 --> 00:38:40,180
that's all I want to know she says okay

744
00:38:46,530 --> 00:38:43,390
I said I'm here studying the alien she's

745
00:38:48,540 --> 00:38:46,540
but this is like ancient India's gods

746
00:38:51,690 --> 00:38:48,550
and I said no you're still looking at

747
00:38:53,700 --> 00:38:51,700
the alien unless you guys got it kind of

748
00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:53,710
backwards I said you're you're looking

749
00:38:59,550 --> 00:38:55,510
at number one - alien and - you're

750
00:39:02,070 --> 00:38:59,560
looking at his makers the ones who has

751
00:39:04,380 --> 00:39:02,080
cloned manufacturer made him for the

752
00:39:06,540 --> 00:39:04,390
purpose of doing whatever as if some of

753
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:06,550
these guys are so violent and so mean

754
00:39:13,380 --> 00:39:09,520
that even in your own literature they

755
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:13,390
nuke entire cities well we we've got

756
00:39:18,690 --> 00:39:16,330
we've got cases in fact in a couple of

757
00:39:22,819 --> 00:39:18,700
weeks we have a fella coming on who

758
00:39:26,190 --> 00:39:22,829
father was involved in a one of Canada's

759
00:39:29,130 --> 00:39:26,200
probably most important and well

760
00:39:32,210 --> 00:39:29,140
documented UFO encounters it Falcon Lake

761
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:32,220
where he was out the prospecting and

762
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:34,690
came across there well two crafts that

763
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:36,250
were coming in one of them landed in

764
00:39:40,140 --> 00:39:36,880
front of him

765
00:39:43,470 --> 00:39:40,150
and as he got closer to the object a

766
00:39:47,420 --> 00:39:43,480
panel or a door opened of some sort and

767
00:39:49,950 --> 00:39:47,430
shot him with a dose of radiation or

768
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:49,960
some kind of laser or something come out

769
00:39:53,579 --> 00:39:51,760
and really Burt you've probably seen the

770
00:39:55,260 --> 00:39:53,589
the photo of the fellow lying in the

771
00:39:57,359 --> 00:39:55,270
hospital bed with the yeah the you know

772
00:39:58,680 --> 00:39:57,369
the burn marks on it's just a chest so

773
00:40:02,099 --> 00:39:58,690
we're going to do we're going to do a

774
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:02,109
show with the the the son of the the

775
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:05,440
individual who had that to happen to him

776
00:40:10,890 --> 00:40:07,440
you know so there have been a lot of

777
00:40:14,579 --> 00:40:10,900
cases more than most people realizes

778
00:40:18,210 --> 00:40:14,589
realize where these things seem to have

779
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:18,220
some the hustle intention now of course

780
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:19,839
there have been a number of cases where

781
00:40:25,550 --> 00:40:23,440
we've got I tried to shoot at the aliens

782
00:40:27,780 --> 00:40:25,560
if you will for lack of a better term

783
00:40:30,450 --> 00:40:27,790
what do you call them I mean do you call

784
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:30,460
them the aliens or alter terrestrials or

785
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:34,240
it depends on the time of day sometimes

786
00:40:38,910 --> 00:40:37,359
I call it cosmic skinheads sometimes I

787
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:38,920
call them I call them aliens in general

788
00:40:43,620 --> 00:40:40,690
because that's what people identify them

789
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:43,630
with but realistically they're entities

790
00:40:47,250 --> 00:40:46,720
or in deities that that's the best term

791
00:40:50,579 --> 00:40:47,260
for it

792
00:40:52,319 --> 00:40:50,589
okay but why did why I would say why did

793
00:40:55,740 --> 00:40:52,329
they pick you but obviously they didn't

794
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:55,750
just select you is there something about

795
00:41:03,930 --> 00:40:59,520
certain individuals that they seem to

796
00:41:06,540 --> 00:41:03,940
gravitate that to and why do some people

797
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:06,550
have negative experiences and some

798
00:41:13,620 --> 00:41:09,730
people seem to think that they've had

799
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:13,630
some great cosmic inspiration well your

800
00:41:20,370 --> 00:41:18,160
your questions are extremely well

801
00:41:22,260 --> 00:41:20,380
thought out and well you know I've

802
00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:22,270
Darryl I've only been doing this for 50

803
00:41:28,849 --> 00:41:24,880
years this for 50 years I mean yeah I

804
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:31,470
I'm still kicking I'm still kicking

805
00:41:40,140 --> 00:41:37,410
the the first thing that the way to

806
00:41:42,570 --> 00:41:40,150
answer that is and I can give a give an

807
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:42,580
anecdotal illustration as well but I

808
00:41:47,010 --> 00:41:45,520
refer to contactees and abductees when

809
00:41:50,730 --> 00:41:47,020
people have these experiences whatever

810
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:50,740
they are UFO events and a contact see

811
00:41:56,540 --> 00:41:53,530
one two three four five whatever that

812
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:56,550
happens it leaves you with an indelible

813
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:00,160
imagery in your mind and in your body

814
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:04,570
and the fact is you generally fall into

815
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:07,690
two categories one or the other either

816
00:42:13,230 --> 00:42:10,570
one you're an abductee and abductee

817
00:42:14,670 --> 00:42:13,240
being described as a person who felt

818
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:14,680
like they were kidnapped or taken

819
00:42:20,370 --> 00:42:17,680
against their will regardless and like

820
00:42:21,900 --> 00:42:20,380
me and others who feel like that even if

821
00:42:24,270 --> 00:42:21,910
they were taken against their will it

822
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:24,280
was further higher best good and whoever

823
00:42:27,930 --> 00:42:26,650
did it probably had their best thoughts

824
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:27,940
in mind and so on and so on

825
00:42:36,510 --> 00:42:31,330
these are contactees I call contact he's

826
00:42:39,690 --> 00:42:36,520
the honey bees a honey bee the nice

827
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:39,700
thing about honey bees is they don't

828
00:42:43,230 --> 00:42:41,680
know that the funny little man in the

829
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:43,240
white suit stealing their honey out

830
00:42:50,820 --> 00:42:47,200
there is not their friend be stealing

831
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:50,830
their honey and abductees I call killer

832
00:42:56,820 --> 00:42:54,490
bees because you may come and steal

833
00:42:59,240 --> 00:42:56,830
their honey or you may try but you are

834
00:43:01,829 --> 00:42:59,250
going to pay the price if they catch you

835
00:43:03,150 --> 00:43:01,839
so one of them is gonna defend himself

836
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:03,160
the other one is just gonna roll over

837
00:43:09,420 --> 00:43:05,770
and you know whatever happens is fine

838
00:43:12,450 --> 00:43:09,430
and a perfect illustration of this is a

839
00:43:14,849 --> 00:43:12,460
lady came to me one time and she was

840
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:14,859
screaming at her support group about how

841
00:43:17,370 --> 00:43:16,240
all these people are stupid because

842
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:17,380
they've had these negative experiences

843
00:43:21,329 --> 00:43:19,690
they just don't remember and I said this

844
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:21,339
is the support group we're not here to

845
00:43:25,050 --> 00:43:23,410
pick on each other we're here to support

846
00:43:28,859 --> 00:43:25,060
each other said I don't care I think

847
00:43:30,089 --> 00:43:28,869
you're all stupid so I I decided well

848
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:30,099
I'll just work whether pennant water

849
00:43:36,359 --> 00:43:32,770
event was and sure enough we did started

850
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:36,369
working on her event and there was a

851
00:43:41,099 --> 00:43:38,650
witness by the way in her event because

852
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:41,109
he painted the picture of the event and

853
00:43:45,970 --> 00:43:43,930
gave me the picture he painted he was

854
00:43:48,370 --> 00:43:45,980
about 18 years old

855
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:48,380
at the time and all of a sudden her

856
00:43:51,970 --> 00:43:49,760
husband's he's sitting there as well

857
00:43:54,700 --> 00:43:51,980
listening to me work with her and she

858
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:54,710
starts screaming turn those bright

859
00:43:56,829 --> 00:43:55,609
lights off

860
00:44:00,099 --> 00:43:56,839
of course the lights were already way

861
00:44:02,980 --> 00:44:00,109
down she didn't realize it but she's

862
00:44:05,980 --> 00:44:02,990
already in the room in with this entity

863
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:05,990
and the entity that's over her is a

864
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:10,400
seven foot praying mantis and she keeps

865
00:44:14,410 --> 00:44:12,290
screaming leave my little brother alone

866
00:44:17,319 --> 00:44:14,420
her little brothers on the other table

867
00:44:20,260 --> 00:44:17,329
and the witnessed a 17 year old boy is

868
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:20,270
horrified watching this whole thing now

869
00:44:25,870 --> 00:44:22,970
here's here's the kicker she comes out

870
00:44:27,849 --> 00:44:25,880
of the event and she says see there I

871
00:44:28,990 --> 00:44:27,859
told you it was positive it's wonderful

872
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:29,000
I was a school of higher consciousness

873
00:44:37,329 --> 00:44:32,570
don't you get it and everybody just

874
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:37,339
laughed said okay and lo and behold the

875
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:39,290
boy painted the picture brought it to me

876
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:40,880
said here's what really happened I was

877
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:44,210
standing right there and I've never

878
00:44:47,740 --> 00:44:45,890
shown her the picture I didn't want to

879
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:47,750
break her hurt I don't mind her

880
00:44:51,700 --> 00:44:49,609
believing that they say took her to the

881
00:44:53,230 --> 00:44:51,710
school of higher consciousness and did

882
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:53,240
all kinds of wonderful things for I

883
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:55,970
would prefer her to believe that then to

884
00:45:01,660 --> 00:44:57,440
see what was standing over the top of

885
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:01,670
her you know I I think that the the

886
00:45:06,250 --> 00:45:04,400
concept that that you're putting out

887
00:45:09,010 --> 00:45:06,260
there though Darrell is I mean is is

888
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:09,020
absolutely fascinating that these

889
00:45:14,109 --> 00:45:11,690
creatures that that people have been

890
00:45:16,690 --> 00:45:14,119
seeing and experiencing you know having

891
00:45:23,220 --> 00:45:16,700
experiences with over these years whom

892
00:45:26,190 --> 00:45:23,230
they they think our aliens are actually

893
00:45:30,030 --> 00:45:26,200
creations are manufactured you know uh

894
00:45:35,609 --> 00:45:30,040
or whatever you'd want to call it from

895
00:45:40,690 --> 00:45:35,619
our own ecosystem possibly because

896
00:45:43,660 --> 00:45:40,700
whatever the originating source can't or

897
00:45:46,569 --> 00:45:43,670
won't work here and has to send it

898
00:45:49,059 --> 00:45:46,579
basically you know they're they're bully

899
00:45:55,839 --> 00:45:49,069
boys so to speak you know to do the

900
00:45:59,290 --> 00:45:55,849
dirty work for them and so it makes me

901
00:45:59,920 --> 00:45:59,300
wonder though I mean why the like the

902
00:46:02,410 --> 00:45:59,930
praying

903
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:02,420
or you know or some people you know say

904
00:46:06,730 --> 00:46:04,010
that they you know they'll see like you

905
00:46:08,650 --> 00:46:06,740
know a reptilians or or things like that

906
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:08,660
I mean do you think that there is a

907
00:46:15,310 --> 00:46:11,770
rhyme or a reason why these different

908
00:46:18,670 --> 00:46:15,320
types of creatures are being used you

909
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:18,680
know is there say like a stereotypical

910
00:46:25,140 --> 00:46:20,960
fear that we all have within us that

911
00:46:28,420 --> 00:46:25,150
they that they're taking advantage of I

912
00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:28,430
your question is well placed I think

913
00:46:35,290 --> 00:46:31,730
that that there is in fact a hierarchy

914
00:46:38,020 --> 00:46:35,300
among them and I want to comment one

915
00:46:41,290 --> 00:46:38,030
more where we're in a world would you

916
00:46:45,130 --> 00:46:41,300
get Bigfoot DNA from probably not Venus

917
00:46:48,220 --> 00:46:45,140
or Jupiter or Pluto but you actually

918
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:48,230
can't get simian DNA from Planet Earth

919
00:46:53,470 --> 00:46:50,720
mm-hmm and they did the recent DNA test

920
00:46:57,130 --> 00:46:53,480
up in Nacogdoches Texas north of us and

921
00:47:01,230 --> 00:46:57,140
the DNA test that they found they found

922
00:47:04,750 --> 00:47:01,240
in the samples of Bigfoot that they had

923
00:47:09,340 --> 00:47:04,760
mitochondrial or female DNA of a modern

924
00:47:12,730 --> 00:47:09,350
human woman not ancient modern human

925
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:12,740
woman so the question is which goes back

926
00:47:16,060 --> 00:47:13,610
to my thesis

927
00:47:17,830 --> 00:47:16,070
these guys are hats clone manufacturer

928
00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:17,840
made for the purpose of interaction with

929
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:20,510
mankind for whatever reason good bad or

930
00:47:27,220 --> 00:47:25,130
whatever you decide that this being is

931
00:47:30,820 --> 00:47:27,230
just part and parcel of the product I

932
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:30,830
mean our best evidence that I've done

933
00:47:35,590 --> 00:47:33,440
and I've done this for over 50 years my

934
00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:35,600
best evidence shows that these beings or

935
00:47:41,260 --> 00:47:38,510
the basic instructions is here and this

936
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:41,270
is the cosmic Walmart shock of this

937
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:43,520
solar system all right let me hold you

938
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:45,530
there Daryl because we have to go to our

939
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:47,210
top of the hour break when we come back

940
00:47:53,020 --> 00:47:50,450
we will continue with more farm Derrel

941
00:48:04,830 --> 00:47:53,030
Sims and Helen Godfrey on exploring the

942
00:48:11,790 --> 00:48:09,340
explore the bazaars our or e-ticket ride

943
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:11,800
into the world of the paranoid

944
00:48:19,410 --> 00:48:15,110
strap yourself in as we traverse the

945
00:48:22,530 --> 00:48:19,420
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

946
00:48:24,910 --> 00:48:22,540
ghosts Lost Worlds

947
00:48:28,750 --> 00:48:24,920
cryptozoology waters as well as other

948
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:28,760
dimensions it's time to take back the

949
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:33,170
night last night now your electrifying

950
00:48:44,590 --> 00:48:36,410
hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy

951
00:48:48,340 --> 00:48:44,600
Begley and team sports alright welcome

952
00:48:55,660 --> 00:48:48,350
back to the second exploring the bizarre

953
00:48:58,720 --> 00:48:55,670
and Alan yeah during the during one of

954
00:49:02,650 --> 00:48:58,730
our breaks here you started talking

955
00:49:07,540 --> 00:49:02,660
about mister Adamski and and how he

956
00:49:11,500 --> 00:49:07,550
disappeared and why don't you let tell

957
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:11,510
our audience about what happened to a

958
00:49:18,910 --> 00:49:16,730
sigma Adamski up into the the time that

959
00:49:23,310 --> 00:49:18,920
he disappeared I mean you know was this

960
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:23,320
just very strange or what Oh mr. Adam

961
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:26,960
Scott a happy family life illiberal his

962
00:49:34,540 --> 00:49:30,770
disabled wife at a later show let's say

963
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:34,550
that the only Davies disappearance as we

964
00:49:40,060 --> 00:49:37,850
got told by my you know this family

965
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:40,070
they've been out shopping in Wakefield a

966
00:49:44,260 --> 00:49:41,810
big shopping center and he'd been with

967
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:44,270
the relative that has traveled over from

968
00:49:51,130 --> 00:49:48,650
Poland and he was given away I think it

969
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:51,140
was his goddaughter at a wedding

970
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:53,330
the following day prior to him

971
00:50:01,330 --> 00:49:56,480
disappearing they'd sat down at lunch at

972
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:01,340
home and after lunch is why fast zigmund

973
00:50:10,349 --> 00:50:04,490
and they called him Ziggy to go to the

974
00:50:13,810 --> 00:50:10,359
local shop to buy some groceries he left

975
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:13,820
the house he spoke to his neighbor

976
00:50:18,940 --> 00:50:16,010
there was a sunny day when he left he

977
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:18,950
spoke to his neighbor and the he was

978
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:20,450
very excited about giving his

979
00:50:27,820 --> 00:50:25,520
goddaughter away at this wedding he did

980
00:50:30,910 --> 00:50:27,830
get to the shop he did buy the groceries

981
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:30,920
and the shopkeeper said he was in good

982
00:50:38,050 --> 00:50:34,850
health and good spirit he left the shop

983
00:50:40,870 --> 00:50:38,060
and then disappeared and then he turned

984
00:50:44,050 --> 00:50:40,880
up as I say six days later in a town

985
00:50:48,780 --> 00:50:44,060
he'd never even been to in the on top of

986
00:50:52,359 --> 00:50:51,040
using years and years of years about a

987
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:52,369
couple year ago

988
00:50:57,579 --> 00:50:54,890
Travis Walton came over to the UK

989
00:51:00,370 --> 00:50:57,589
visited me at my house and we had a long

990
00:51:05,799 --> 00:51:00,380
conversation it was for a TV show we

991
00:51:08,109 --> 00:51:05,809
were doing and I mentioned Azam to be to

992
00:51:10,259 --> 00:51:08,119
him and and the similarities are very

993
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:10,269
very same apart from the fact that

994
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:13,970
Travis survived and zigmund Adamski

995
00:51:19,299 --> 00:51:17,450
didn't I you know it makes me wonder all

996
00:51:25,180 --> 00:51:19,309
these years and years and years after

997
00:51:27,759 --> 00:51:25,190
whether he was abducted and that's we

998
00:51:30,339 --> 00:51:27,769
don't offer Pollock oh I don't say nice

999
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:30,349
but he makes you wonder don't do well

1000
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:33,920
you know we had a case here that we've

1001
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:36,160
discussed on the air Tim a few times

1002
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:41,359
with a butch from the Pennsylvania UFO

1003
00:51:47,470 --> 00:51:44,569
group yeah and without asking yes and

1004
00:51:51,660 --> 00:51:47,480
and he talks about this case what was

1005
00:52:00,339 --> 00:51:58,329
yeah I I couldn't tell you yeah I think

1006
00:52:02,529 --> 00:52:00,349
it's Scott as this first day but I

1007
00:52:06,460 --> 00:52:02,539
wouldn't you know I wouldn't bet on that

1008
00:52:09,370 --> 00:52:06,470
but he ended up in a tree or something

1009
00:52:12,039 --> 00:52:09,380
right I mean didn't he ever a case where

1010
00:52:15,460 --> 00:52:12,049
there's been other cases he had he had

1011
00:52:20,380 --> 00:52:15,470
gone up a local mountain to check out

1012
00:52:24,730 --> 00:52:20,390
check out the deer and and he had got up

1013
00:52:27,339 --> 00:52:24,740
on like his like four wheeler and and

1014
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:27,349
didn't come back home and his son went

1015
00:52:30,970 --> 00:52:28,970
up to look for and found the

1016
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:30,980
four-wheeler but but this guy wasn't

1017
00:52:34,749 --> 00:52:33,410
around they they searched up and down

1018
00:52:39,999 --> 00:52:34,759
the mountain they searched around his

1019
00:52:43,299 --> 00:52:40,009
home couldn't find him the next day one

1020
00:52:48,130 --> 00:52:43,309
of the searchers saw something in some

1021
00:52:50,829 --> 00:52:48,140
like thick brambles no more than like 50

1022
00:52:52,690 --> 00:52:50,839
yards from his house and that's where

1023
00:52:56,079 --> 00:52:52,700
they found his body but they had to like

1024
00:53:00,249 --> 00:52:56,089
hack their way through all of this brush

1025
00:53:04,210 --> 00:53:00,259
and and and sticker bushes to get at his

1026
00:53:06,430 --> 00:53:04,220
body with with no idea how he managed to

1027
00:53:08,590 --> 00:53:06,440
get into that location you know kind of

1028
00:53:10,030 --> 00:53:08,600
like mr. Adamski

1029
00:53:14,350 --> 00:53:10,040
is almost like he had just been dropped

1030
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:14,360
from the sky well there was there was a

1031
00:53:20,500 --> 00:53:16,490
lot of apparently there was a lot of

1032
00:53:23,890 --> 00:53:20,510
sightings of UFOs at that time that mr.

1033
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:23,900
Donsky went missing I was told unaware

1034
00:53:26,830 --> 00:53:25,970
of it I'm not a ufologist or anything

1035
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:26,840
like that

1036
00:53:32,650 --> 00:53:30,010
I only read what I read in the papers

1037
00:53:35,770 --> 00:53:32,660
apparently there was quite a few UFO

1038
00:53:38,230 --> 00:53:35,780
sightings open around the colder Valley

1039
00:53:42,490 --> 00:53:38,240
which is where the Tomalin is situated

1040
00:53:47,940 --> 00:53:42,500
and surrounding areas and it is well a

1041
00:53:51,550 --> 00:53:47,950
lot of people say think that Adamski was

1042
00:53:53,230 --> 00:53:51,560
abducted and I don't know what happened

1043
00:53:56,380 --> 00:53:53,240
to me while I was out doctor than he was

1044
00:53:58,180 --> 00:53:56,390
and he was dropped like plop on top of

1045
00:54:00,910 --> 00:53:58,190
that pile of coal well the other well no

1046
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:00,920
I'm a police so I'm retired now but I

1047
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:03,650
have to deal in facts my head tells me I

1048
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:08,000
have to deal in facts not fiction and I

1049
00:54:13,150 --> 00:54:10,400
finally found it very difficult to

1050
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:13,160
accept an explanation when I were a cop

1051
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:16,010
you know but as years have been years

1052
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:19,520
have gone by and I've listened to all

1053
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:21,890
the people and things like that then

1054
00:54:28,090 --> 00:54:25,850
your perception of what what may have

1055
00:54:31,450 --> 00:54:28,100
happened suddenly become something wrong

1056
00:54:33,940 --> 00:54:31,460
it possibly did happen if you follow me

1057
00:54:37,300 --> 00:54:33,950
reasoning then yeah well you know we

1058
00:54:40,300 --> 00:54:37,310
have we have a my old buddy Karl higdon

1059
00:54:45,070 --> 00:54:40,310
if you remember the the story he was

1060
00:54:46,750 --> 00:54:45,080
this hunter and and he was going out

1061
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:46,760
hunting elk one day and he had this

1062
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:48,650
really weird experience where he shot at

1063
00:54:55,180 --> 00:54:50,810
the elk and the bullet came out and try

1064
00:54:57,820 --> 00:54:55,190
and slow motion and seemed to fit some

1065
00:55:01,660 --> 00:54:57,830
sort of invisible screen and in in front

1066
00:55:04,060 --> 00:55:01,670
of him or and he ended up inside the the

1067
00:55:06,070 --> 00:55:04,070
ship with a couple of the elf

1068
00:55:08,410 --> 00:55:06,080
now the craft wood it was on the ground

1069
00:55:10,450 --> 00:55:08,420
only it was a cube and it only looked to

1070
00:55:12,580 --> 00:55:10,460
be I don't know maybe ten or fifteen

1071
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:12,590
feet in diameter but when he got inside

1072
00:55:18,220 --> 00:55:15,490
the ship it was different proportions

1073
00:55:21,930 --> 00:55:18,230
altogether but he reported on the way

1074
00:55:23,490 --> 00:55:21,940
back from wherever he was taken that his

1075
00:55:26,089 --> 00:55:23,500
vehicle that he was in which had been

1076
00:55:28,290 --> 00:55:26,099
parked on the grassy knoll it was a

1077
00:55:31,940 --> 00:55:28,300
truck that he had used to carry his

1078
00:55:35,579 --> 00:55:31,950
equipment and in stuff around with him

1079
00:55:40,650 --> 00:55:35,589
hadn't moved from the grassy no into a

1080
00:55:43,500 --> 00:55:40,660
very marshy area of the of the the woods

1081
00:55:45,660 --> 00:55:43,510
there and in order for him to drive out

1082
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:45,670
well when he came to and he was back

1083
00:55:50,430 --> 00:55:48,130
inside the truck he could hardly see

1084
00:55:54,150 --> 00:55:50,440
because his eyes were were swollen and

1085
00:55:57,390 --> 00:55:54,160
he had lost the least part of his memory

1086
00:55:59,730 --> 00:55:57,400
knew something very you know dramatic

1087
00:56:02,910 --> 00:55:59,740
had happened and when they came to get

1088
00:56:05,849 --> 00:56:02,920
them they had to bring a tow truck and

1089
00:56:07,380 --> 00:56:05,859
set up a series of logs on the ground so

1090
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:07,390
that they can use that you know to get

1091
00:56:13,319 --> 00:56:10,569
the the vehicle back in an area where he

1092
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:13,329
where it could be a driven away so you

1093
00:56:22,260 --> 00:56:17,920
do have these cases of teleportation or

1094
00:56:25,710 --> 00:56:22,270
a trance transportation or whatever you

1095
00:56:28,589 --> 00:56:25,720
want to define it as where that seems

1096
00:56:32,940 --> 00:56:28,599
the crop up from time to time in these a

1097
00:56:36,750 --> 00:56:32,950
UFO events but now Alan how did you make

1098
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:36,760
the the transition from a being involved

1099
00:56:43,829 --> 00:56:40,480
in this particular case to becoming a

1100
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:43,839
UFO ability or contact be on your own

1101
00:56:52,829 --> 00:56:47,920
with that within six months on the

1102
00:56:55,770 --> 00:56:52,839
Adamski case hours out in alpha Bravo 3

1103
00:56:59,069 --> 00:56:55,780
which is a squad car and we've been

1104
00:57:02,819 --> 00:56:59,079
getting messages over the radio from our

1105
00:57:05,069 --> 00:57:02,829
control room that local housing estate

1106
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:05,079
which is which was on the right-hand

1107
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:09,280
side of one of the valleys the weekend

1108
00:57:13,020 --> 00:57:11,050
reports have a herd of cows wandering

1109
00:57:16,620 --> 00:57:13,030
around I say a herd don't think a

1110
00:57:19,650 --> 00:57:16,630
rawhide Palio five or six cows wandering

1111
00:57:21,540 --> 00:57:19,660
around this outing yesterday me and

1112
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:21,550
another officer and took check-in and we

1113
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:23,650
can't find these cows and this went on

1114
00:57:28,890 --> 00:57:26,890
for several hours then about five

1115
00:57:32,190 --> 00:57:28,900
o'clock in the morning I left the police

1116
00:57:36,270 --> 00:57:32,200
station to do the final patrol of Eli

1117
00:57:38,609 --> 00:57:36,280
and I went down into Tomalin town

1118
00:57:42,510 --> 00:57:38,619
and spoke to a colleague of mine who was

1119
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:42,520
on foot patrol asked him if he wanted to

1120
00:57:47,549 --> 00:57:45,130
jump in and when I look at the cows he

1121
00:57:48,930 --> 00:57:47,559
said no he's he's quite up we're doing

1122
00:57:52,349 --> 00:57:48,940
what he was doing he needed to check

1123
00:57:54,510 --> 00:57:52,359
some shots and what dubby so I turned

1124
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:54,520
the vehicle around and set off back I

1125
00:58:00,630 --> 00:57:56,410
went drove past the police station

1126
00:58:02,910 --> 00:58:00,640
heading towards the housing estate which

1127
00:58:06,299 --> 00:58:02,920
is upon thee as I say on the side of the

1128
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:06,309
valley just prior to me gonna turn up

1129
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:08,170
the road that leads up to this housing

1130
00:58:14,190 --> 00:58:10,930
estate I was still on the main trunk

1131
00:58:16,799 --> 00:58:14,200
road through the town and I could see up

1132
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:16,809
ahead o'clock 300 meters away

1133
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:23,170
that's the slightly more this object at

1134
00:58:28,770 --> 00:58:26,650
first I thought it was a bus or a Bose I

1135
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:28,780
don't recall more there were a boss you

1136
00:58:35,849 --> 00:58:32,050
know to public transport vehicle gone

1137
00:58:39,059 --> 00:58:35,859
sideways across the road if that was

1138
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:39,069
just a quick thought it soon my doubt me

1139
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:43,210
I do not wanna so I drew I carried on

1140
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:44,650
driving on that you said it turning

1141
00:58:49,380 --> 00:58:46,569
towards their nests either carried on on

1142
00:58:52,380 --> 00:58:49,390
the main trunk road as I got nearer and

1143
00:58:54,450 --> 00:58:52,390
nearer I got within 20 meters and there

1144
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:54,460
it was it was just hanging there in the

1145
00:59:00,420 --> 00:58:57,760
air it was it was hovering off the

1146
00:59:03,420 --> 00:59:00,430
ground about five feet maybe I could see

1147
00:59:06,839 --> 00:59:03,430
underneath it is our approach it was

1148
00:59:12,690 --> 00:59:06,849
approximately 20 feet wide about

1149
00:59:15,809 --> 00:59:12,700
fourteen feet i it was diamond shaped it

1150
00:59:19,049 --> 00:59:15,819
had what appeared to be black Darton

1151
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:19,059
windows or dark paneling across the top

1152
00:59:27,059 --> 00:59:24,450
of it the bottom R appeared to be

1153
00:59:29,370 --> 00:59:27,069
rotating I can't honestly say that it

1154
00:59:32,190 --> 00:59:29,380
was really look like it was rotating

1155
00:59:35,069 --> 00:59:32,200
because it would the dead leaves it was

1156
00:59:39,359 --> 00:59:35,079
November time 20 net 28th of November

1157
00:59:41,370 --> 00:59:39,369
1918 and the it was lifting the leaves

1158
00:59:44,010 --> 00:59:41,380
up off the road surfaces have fallen

1159
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:44,020
from the trees and they were swirling

1160
00:59:49,350 --> 00:59:47,410
round it I instantly got on to me

1161
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:49,360
personal radio which we care

1162
00:59:55,410 --> 00:59:52,450
as person obviously and I can't get any

1163
00:59:57,450 --> 00:59:55,420
response from our control room so I

1164
00:59:59,280 --> 00:59:57,460
picked up the car radio which is on a

1165
01:00:02,960 --> 00:59:59,290
different frequency and it goes through

1166
01:00:06,930 --> 01:00:02,970
a different control room in Bradford and

1167
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:06,940
again they're both radios were dead

1168
01:00:13,620 --> 01:00:09,970
I had me blue flashy lights going and

1169
01:00:16,110 --> 01:00:13,630
warning lights and I just didn't want to

1170
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:16,120
do I just sat there in totally

1171
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:18,490
gobsmacked that I didn't really know

1172
01:00:26,550 --> 01:00:22,890
what I was looking at I picked up me

1173
01:00:28,830 --> 01:00:26,560
what we call it a pallet society

1174
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:28,840
clipboard with all different papers on

1175
01:00:34,830 --> 01:00:31,810
it for dish you know what would you call

1176
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:34,840
their penalties and stuff that sort of

1177
01:00:37,710 --> 01:00:36,370
stuff when we carried a lot of plain

1178
01:00:41,250 --> 01:00:37,720
paper but if I wanted to draw sketches

1179
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:41,260
of road accidents or whatever and I

1180
01:00:48,330 --> 01:00:44,530
started sketching it best I could and

1181
01:00:52,770 --> 01:00:48,340
then there were this how can I describe

1182
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:52,780
it it was a white blinding flash it was

1183
01:00:58,230 --> 01:00:55,810
like here in a dark room we'll say is

1184
01:01:00,060 --> 01:00:58,240
the part if somebody takes a flash

1185
01:01:01,770 --> 01:01:00,070
photograph I mean the flash goes off it

1186
01:01:04,410 --> 01:01:01,780
make sure I is good for me yeah you know

1187
01:01:07,500 --> 01:01:04,420
what I mean and well you can multiply

1188
01:01:11,730 --> 01:01:07,510
that thousand times everything just went

1189
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:11,740
wide and the next thing I know is it the

1190
01:01:16,350 --> 01:01:14,170
other side they celebrated it gone and I

1191
01:01:19,110 --> 01:01:16,360
was driving the police girl you know

1192
01:01:22,110 --> 01:01:19,120
driving a police car turned around I'm

1193
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:22,120
back to the scene and only rolled

1194
01:01:27,210 --> 01:01:24,250
surface it had been raining most of the

1195
01:01:30,930 --> 01:01:27,220
night it was completely trying to a like

1196
01:01:34,020 --> 01:01:30,940
a whirlpool dry with these dead leaves

1197
01:01:37,050 --> 01:01:34,030
and twigs and stuff all around it and

1198
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:37,060
went down straight back down to the town

1199
01:01:42,060 --> 01:01:40,450
center Shawnee caught my family picnic

1200
01:01:46,830 --> 01:01:42,070
colleague Oakland we went back to the

1201
01:01:51,210 --> 01:01:46,840
scene and he saw it and we decided to

1202
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:51,220
look in the adjoining park and which was

1203
01:01:55,230 --> 01:01:53,050
right next to the road there's a river a

1204
01:01:57,960 --> 01:01:55,240
bigger River runs between the two you

1205
01:02:01,140 --> 01:01:57,970
need to go across you say you say your

1206
01:02:03,039 --> 01:02:01,150
colleague saw it okay so you won't know

1207
01:02:08,150 --> 01:02:03,049
I saw it you saw the after

1208
01:02:11,390 --> 01:02:08,160
od aftermath okay okay yeah we went into

1209
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:11,400
the park and lo and behold there were

1210
01:02:17,299 --> 01:02:15,170
the cows on the local rugby pitch now

1211
01:02:20,900 --> 01:02:17,309
have they got in there I don't know

1212
01:02:23,059 --> 01:02:20,910
because there's a river separates the

1213
01:02:25,370 --> 01:02:23,069
two and there's a drop into the river of

1214
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:25,380
a good ten foot before actually the

1215
01:02:31,999 --> 01:02:28,890
water knee and then the storm wali the

1216
01:02:34,609 --> 01:02:32,009
sides and across there is the entrance

1217
01:02:36,980 --> 01:02:34,619
into the park with a gate on and the

1218
01:02:40,099 --> 01:02:36,990
Gators are the shuttle locked so they

1219
01:02:42,950 --> 01:02:40,109
come to got in there on their own but

1220
01:02:43,549 --> 01:02:42,960
yet there they were that's where they

1221
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:43,559
were found

1222
01:02:53,109 --> 01:02:50,400
now as I said about a year later I was

1223
01:02:55,789 --> 01:02:53,119
asked to go under it naughty regression

1224
01:02:58,069 --> 01:02:55,799
which I declined to start with because

1225
01:03:01,849 --> 01:02:58,079
the only of gnosis I'd ever seen was on

1226
01:03:04,039 --> 01:03:01,859
TV and it was like a Cabrio before you

1227
01:03:06,589 --> 01:03:04,049
before you go out Alan before you go on

1228
01:03:08,839 --> 01:03:06,599
to the hypnosis were there any other

1229
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:08,849
witnesses that saw when you saw that

1230
01:03:14,809 --> 01:03:13,410
light well I was led to believe and no

1231
01:03:16,549 --> 01:03:14,819
reason to disbelieve that there were

1232
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:16,559
three other police officers in Holly

1233
01:03:21,470 --> 01:03:19,650
flax which was which approximately

1234
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:21,480
twelve miles away from Tom Merton

1235
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:25,410
another name counter upon the Moors all

1236
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:27,450
three of them saw it and there were two

1237
01:03:31,970 --> 01:03:29,609
of the police officers what would you

1238
01:03:35,420 --> 01:03:31,980
you would call them the Highway Patrol

1239
01:03:38,210 --> 01:03:35,430
we call him that traffic cops they were

1240
01:03:41,900 --> 01:03:38,220
parked up and they saw an object of rien

1241
01:03:43,779 --> 01:03:41,910
between two public tricity pylons and in

1242
01:03:46,099 --> 01:03:43,789
each case they said that they were

1243
01:03:46,579 --> 01:03:46,109
heading towards the direction of Tom

1244
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:46,589
burden

1245
01:03:53,329 --> 01:03:49,410
there was also on the same morning in

1246
01:03:56,410 --> 01:03:53,339
Tom Madden a local chaotic of a school

1247
01:04:00,200 --> 01:03:56,420
that is on that side of the valley

1248
01:04:04,339 --> 01:04:00,210
overlooks the road he gone he gone to

1249
01:04:08,930 --> 01:04:04,349
fire the boilers up for the day's events

1250
01:04:12,620 --> 01:04:08,940
and as he's walking across the courtyard

1251
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:12,630
or scald school playground towards the

1252
01:04:19,660 --> 01:04:15,650
building he saw a saw an object the

1253
01:04:22,060 --> 01:04:19,670
grab it just like my riser book into the

1254
01:04:27,370 --> 01:04:22,070
air and then zigzag its way up towards

1255
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:27,380
Burnley a guy a wagon driver a truck

1256
01:04:34,030 --> 01:04:31,130
driver as you would say was at him from

1257
01:04:37,750 --> 01:04:34,040
Burnley towards Tom Madden and again

1258
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:37,760
he's very steep valleys and this object

1259
01:04:43,630 --> 01:04:40,970
came towards him zigzagging from side to

1260
01:04:47,170 --> 01:04:43,640
side and flew straight dog at top and he

1261
01:04:49,180 --> 01:04:47,180
came in a report of what he'd seen from

1262
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:49,190
40 it was a few couple of days later an

1263
01:04:58,300 --> 01:04:52,490
early for today but different people did

1264
01:05:03,040 --> 01:04:58,310
see it so I know what I saw and believe

1265
01:05:04,450 --> 01:05:03,050
you me from 20 meters I saw that object

1266
01:05:09,270 --> 01:05:04,460
and it was real it wasn't the

1267
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:09,280
imagination I am Paul honestly well

1268
01:05:15,100 --> 01:05:11,810
people that said you know the command is

1269
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:15,110
all each silly bloody anything rather

1270
01:05:18,910 --> 01:05:16,490
than believe what you're saying they

1271
01:05:20,350 --> 01:05:18,920
come out with these silly explanations

1272
01:05:22,810 --> 01:05:20,360
you know they tried to say oh well you

1273
01:05:25,450 --> 01:05:22,820
saw this this is what you said this is

1274
01:05:28,300 --> 01:05:25,460
what Oh didn't didn't somebody say that

1275
01:05:30,070 --> 01:05:28,310
you saw a bus yeah well that was me I

1276
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:30,080
said I thought I saw a boss

1277
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:33,250
okay well reaction when I saw it yeah

1278
01:05:38,740 --> 01:05:36,530
the kind people got mistaken because

1279
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:38,750
it's in Britain we have a lot of

1280
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:41,330
double-decker buses yes like you said

1281
01:05:46,210 --> 01:05:43,010
going around London you know the big

1282
01:05:48,550 --> 01:05:46,220
double-deck ISM and they tried to say

1283
01:05:50,340 --> 01:05:48,560
that it was a double-decker bus ad seen

1284
01:05:53,980 --> 01:05:50,350
that gone sideways

1285
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:53,990
the problem was with that is the booster

1286
01:05:58,450 --> 01:05:55,610
the only bus that was around at that

1287
01:06:01,300 --> 01:05:58,460
time was a single Becca I saw it going

1288
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:01,310
up the main road and I know the guy was

1289
01:06:10,510 --> 01:06:04,250
driving it and it certainly wasn't him

1290
01:06:15,570 --> 01:06:10,520
but yeah I know somebody once said that

1291
01:06:23,620 --> 01:06:15,580
they thought that I've seen Venus I mean

1292
01:06:27,670 --> 01:06:23,630
you're Venus that cometh you know people

1293
01:06:31,540 --> 01:06:27,680
say you know a lot of people

1294
01:06:34,990 --> 01:06:31,550
and at the time a lot of people just

1295
01:06:38,650 --> 01:06:35,000
thought our crackers well now when you

1296
01:06:41,110 --> 01:06:38,660
finally did agree to to take the

1297
01:06:45,190 --> 01:06:41,120
hypnotic regression I mean what what

1298
01:06:47,410 --> 01:06:45,200
happened right well the first I agreed

1299
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:47,420
eventually because the people that asked

1300
01:06:51,310 --> 01:06:49,850
me to do it was a head of the frost

1301
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:51,320
squad of the Greater Manchester Police

1302
01:06:56,140 --> 01:06:53,570
Force so he was it you know his high

1303
01:07:00,040 --> 01:06:56,150
ranking police officer and there was a

1304
01:07:02,430 --> 01:07:00,050
solicitor two of the guys they made

1305
01:07:04,660 --> 01:07:02,440
arrangements to see two different

1306
01:07:07,180 --> 01:07:04,670
psychiatrists but none of the

1307
01:07:08,980 --> 01:07:07,190
psychiatrist was totally aware of what

1308
01:07:10,990 --> 01:07:08,990
they were about to hear if the air at

1309
01:07:13,750 --> 01:07:11,000
anything at all they did nothing about

1310
01:07:15,670 --> 01:07:13,760
the case and they didn't even know that

1311
01:07:17,830 --> 01:07:15,680
each other were going to do an accept on

1312
01:07:20,230 --> 01:07:17,840
different days the first one was a

1313
01:07:22,860 --> 01:07:20,240
professor Blair it was the professor of

1314
01:07:28,300 --> 01:07:22,870
psychiatry at Manchester University

1315
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:28,310
so a choir you know established guy that

1316
01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:33,050
particular session wasn't videotaped he

1317
01:07:39,970 --> 01:07:35,200
won't allow it

1318
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:39,980
following is I will then went to see dr.

1319
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:43,010
Jacque mr. Joseph Joffre again he was a

1320
01:07:47,550 --> 01:07:45,530
leading psychiatrist and he actually did

1321
01:07:50,350 --> 01:07:47,560
work for the Greater Manchester Police

1322
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:50,360
for in case of rape cases and things

1323
01:07:57,670 --> 01:07:53,450
like that so they're very eminent now

1324
01:08:00,940 --> 01:07:57,680
that one that fit with him the beginning

1325
01:08:03,250 --> 01:08:00,950
one was videotaped and everything was

1326
01:08:07,690 --> 01:08:03,260
done under while I was on the multi

1327
01:08:12,130 --> 01:08:07,700
regression and the third one again with

1328
01:08:14,860 --> 01:08:12,140
Professor Blair was videotaped and the

1329
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:14,870
fourth one back again with dr. Josef

1330
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:17,330
Jaffe that was videotaped so there was

1331
01:08:23,110 --> 01:08:20,650
three videotapes from four sessions I

1332
01:08:26,110 --> 01:08:23,120
was until I had no idea what I said on

1333
01:08:28,540 --> 01:08:26,120
hypnosis no idea at all all I know is

1334
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:28,550
that following each if not it regression

1335
01:08:33,940 --> 01:08:31,730
as I was driving home I was sick as a

1336
01:08:35,860 --> 01:08:33,950
dog get feeling sick in fact you know

1337
01:08:38,530 --> 01:08:35,870
throwing up to stop the car and get out

1338
01:08:41,059 --> 01:08:38,540
and throw so something that upset me but

1339
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:41,069
had no idea what

1340
01:08:47,959 --> 01:08:44,770
eventually my police force with my work

1341
01:08:50,399 --> 01:08:47,969
for which was the West Yorkshire police

1342
01:08:55,169 --> 01:08:50,409
became aware of what was going on and

1343
01:09:01,229 --> 01:08:55,179
they put a stop to it you know boom

1344
01:09:06,269 --> 01:09:01,239
you can't go finito so I was then

1345
01:09:10,129 --> 01:09:06,279
allowed to see the videotapes I what I

1346
01:09:14,849 --> 01:09:10,139
said on rip noses and my god

1347
01:09:17,249 --> 01:09:14,859
Saturday watch him I'm seeing my face on

1348
01:09:19,939 --> 01:09:17,259
there and this story coming out without

1349
01:09:25,919 --> 01:09:19,949
no conscious memory of and it was like

1350
01:09:29,309 --> 01:09:25,929
do I believe what I'm saying and I still

1351
01:09:31,079 --> 01:09:29,319
to this day I don't know people say what

1352
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:31,089
does they don't hypnosis must have

1353
01:09:37,410 --> 01:09:34,810
happened some people say no is something

1354
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:37,420
that your brains got confused with and

1355
01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:39,489
go out on history I don't know which to

1356
01:09:46,050 --> 01:09:43,839
believe if it did happen

1357
01:09:49,950 --> 01:09:46,060
well I'm I've survived it an army yeah

1358
01:09:53,309 --> 01:09:49,960
30 audio later anyway didn't happen then

1359
01:09:54,780 --> 01:09:53,319
I can only assume that it twelve months

1360
01:09:57,689 --> 01:09:54,790
in between the encounter and actually

1361
01:10:00,030 --> 01:09:57,699
going for the aggression and I knew

1362
01:10:02,669 --> 01:10:00,040
about this missing time well how about

1363
01:10:06,359 --> 01:10:02,679
know whether it were there aliens on

1364
01:10:11,010 --> 01:10:06,369
board the craft well sorry I wanted to

1365
01:10:14,399 --> 01:10:11,020
drink some water I described one of

1366
01:10:20,180 --> 01:10:14,409
these people that were inside this

1367
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:20,190
object a very tall humanoid looking and

1368
01:10:28,350 --> 01:10:26,650
wearing a skullcap and a long white what

1369
01:10:28,590 --> 01:10:28,360
appeared to be a long but it won't like

1370
01:10:32,729 --> 01:10:28,600
it

1371
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:32,739
she's long she told him he was the guy

1372
01:10:39,209 --> 01:10:35,650
whose mouth he didn't have a mouth and

1373
01:10:41,430 --> 01:10:39,219
he was the guy who was communicating

1374
01:10:44,669 --> 01:10:41,440
with me font of a better word cuz I'm

1375
01:10:47,580 --> 01:10:44,679
being asked by the psychiatrist also in

1376
01:10:53,379 --> 01:10:47,590
the in this object English whatever it

1377
01:10:55,689 --> 01:10:53,389
was there was little lunch a dead

1378
01:11:02,890 --> 01:10:55,699
look like the lamb they are like ball

1379
01:11:05,620 --> 01:11:02,900
beds and about 349 small and I believe I

1380
01:11:08,859 --> 01:11:05,630
said there were eight of them and they

1381
01:11:11,919 --> 01:11:08,869
were making a noise Minnie Minnie Minnie

1382
01:11:13,899 --> 01:11:11,929
Minnie Minnie Minnie Minnie all right

1383
01:11:15,669 --> 01:11:13,909
Allen with that we're gonna have to go

1384
01:11:16,870 --> 01:11:15,679
to our bottom of the hour break so would

1385
01:11:19,390 --> 01:11:16,880
we come back we'll continue our

1386
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:19,400
conversation on exploring the bazaar

1387
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:21,170
what a time to have to go to a break

1388
01:11:31,850 --> 01:11:23,090
we'll be right back

1389
01:11:38,580 --> 01:11:36,000
now back to exploring the bazaars with

1390
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:38,590
two of the most electrifying researchers

1391
01:11:47,850 --> 01:11:41,890
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

1392
01:11:49,590 --> 01:11:47,860
Lee and Kings whoops all right welcome

1393
01:11:53,340 --> 01:11:49,600
back to exploring bazaar and we're

1394
01:11:54,959 --> 01:11:53,350
talking with Alan Godfrey and boy we

1395
01:11:59,729 --> 01:11:54,969
went to the break he was telling us

1396
01:12:02,580 --> 01:11:59,739
about his UFO experience when when he

1397
01:12:07,530 --> 01:12:02,590
was a policeman but real quick Alan we

1398
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:07,540
got a question from Joe Glover and Joe

1399
01:12:12,300 --> 01:12:09,130
wants to know Alan would you found

1400
01:12:14,939 --> 01:12:12,310
yourself back in the car after you saw

1401
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:14,949
that flash of light you found yourself

1402
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:19,330
driving in the car how long was it from

1403
01:12:24,180 --> 01:12:21,280
when you were sitting there getting

1404
01:12:25,740 --> 01:12:24,190
ready to sketch this object to when you

1405
01:12:28,350 --> 01:12:25,750
found yourself driving do you have any

1406
01:12:30,510 --> 01:12:28,360
idea you know how much time elapsed not

1407
01:12:34,110 --> 01:12:30,520
the time I just thought it happened in

1408
01:12:37,650 --> 01:12:34,120
an instant book and when we got back to

1409
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:37,660
the station afterwards I realized and

1410
01:12:40,140 --> 01:12:39,610
other people realize that about a half

1411
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:40,150
an hour

1412
01:12:46,979 --> 01:12:45,130
could I can't be accounted for I I left

1413
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:46,989
the police station at five o'clock then

1414
01:12:53,939 --> 01:12:49,690
counter out roughly about 10 past 5:00

1415
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:53,949
and yet it was 6 o'clock when I got back

1416
01:12:59,340 --> 01:12:55,690
to the police station when I went to

1417
01:13:05,060 --> 01:12:59,350
pick me buddy oh it came back to the

1418
01:13:09,450 --> 01:13:05,070
scene so the render about half an hour

1419
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:09,460
30 minutes 30 minutes right so uh but

1420
01:13:13,979 --> 01:13:12,010
before we went to our last break you

1421
01:13:15,930 --> 01:13:13,989
were telling us that that you saw

1422
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:15,940
yourself when you were under hypnotic

1423
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:17,890
regression yeah and you you were

1424
01:13:26,370 --> 01:13:22,449
relating how there were you know beans

1425
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:26,380
on board this craft or whatever it was I

1426
01:13:31,770 --> 01:13:29,170
didn't work I've done as the small ones

1427
01:13:34,110 --> 01:13:31,780
as robots he said they were making a

1428
01:13:37,500 --> 01:13:34,120
strange noise I said there is robots

1429
01:13:39,109 --> 01:13:37,510
they belong to him so I I must have been

1430
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:39,119
thinking

1431
01:13:42,859 --> 01:13:41,010
give me an explanation as to what that

1432
01:13:45,470 --> 01:13:42,869
was seeing which would a rational

1433
01:13:50,089 --> 01:13:45,480
explanation in my mind so to speak that

1434
01:13:54,770 --> 01:13:50,099
said there were robots but were they

1435
01:13:56,570 --> 01:13:54,780
were I don't know there were you know a

1436
01:13:59,120 --> 01:13:56,580
light bulb looks like don't ya

1437
01:14:04,189 --> 01:13:59,130
oh yes brother the Reg was that similar

1438
01:14:06,050 --> 01:14:04,199
to that shape and did black our darting

1439
01:14:09,459 --> 01:14:06,060
eyes but they didn't have a mouth or

1440
01:14:12,500 --> 01:14:09,469
anything neither did the tall guy and

1441
01:14:15,229 --> 01:14:12,510
yet took me but they were community only

1442
01:14:20,570 --> 01:14:15,239
his name was Joseph which I later

1443
01:14:24,140 --> 01:14:20,580
changed to Joseph and Nori's and I've no

1444
01:14:27,649 --> 01:14:24,150
reason why there you go heat either

1445
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:27,659
happened or it didn't happen I can't I

1446
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:30,719
can't accept it to an extent but they're

1447
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:32,690
more likely to fall on the side of

1448
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:35,610
between 4 to 12 months prior to the

1449
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:37,770
encounter to the first hypnotic

1450
01:14:45,050 --> 01:14:40,050
regression was approximately 12 months I

1451
01:14:48,350 --> 01:14:45,060
think I did read some of you wait for

1452
01:14:50,379 --> 01:14:48,360
books should I say then one of them was

1453
01:14:53,780 --> 01:14:50,389
a couple called

1454
01:14:56,839 --> 01:14:53,790
Betty and Barney Hill Ursula yes

1455
01:14:59,419 --> 01:14:56,849
well I did read an A in one of these

1456
01:15:02,030 --> 01:14:59,429
books I read their story now whether I

1457
01:15:06,050 --> 01:15:02,040
my brain then started imagining

1458
01:15:10,310 --> 01:15:06,060
well if I were abducted flap Salam to me

1459
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:10,320
and when our in 200 noses perhaps like a

1460
01:15:14,870 --> 01:15:12,210
dream I came out with this fantastic

1461
01:15:17,959 --> 01:15:14,880
story being abducted it so I don't know

1462
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:17,969
which is true to be honest with you but

1463
01:15:25,310 --> 01:15:22,530
the thing is that met the hundred noses

1464
01:15:30,020 --> 01:15:25,320
I say that the attaching something to me

1465
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:30,030
left foot a mere I thank me right wrist

1466
01:15:35,629 --> 01:15:33,210
now me police boots which were pretty

1467
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:35,639
new when I talked them off that night

1468
01:15:44,330 --> 01:15:39,690
there was a big split across the width

1469
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:44,340
of it not lengthways width and I did on

1470
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:47,130
that into these investigators in the

1471
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:51,090
Centre for forensic psycho inspection

1472
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:52,010
for no

1473
01:15:57,930 --> 01:15:54,530
and actually came back of it and on the

1474
01:16:02,470 --> 01:15:57,940
instep of my left foot was a red mark

1475
01:16:05,170 --> 01:16:02,480
size of an old penny and a lot of people

1476
01:16:11,230 --> 01:16:05,180
would that be another one i big you off

1477
01:16:15,610 --> 01:16:11,240
for currency his will say probably an

1478
01:16:19,570 --> 01:16:15,620
inch across this circumference the

1479
01:16:21,970 --> 01:16:19,580
radius would be about an inch across so

1480
01:16:24,100 --> 01:16:21,980
a signs of an old penny and it was a red

1481
01:16:27,100 --> 01:16:24,110
market it was it cheaper but it wasn't

1482
01:16:31,570 --> 01:16:27,110
saw and i did go to the doctors with it

1483
01:16:34,870 --> 01:16:31,580
and he put it down as well as he called

1484
01:16:39,250 --> 01:16:34,880
it was psoriasis probably brought on by

1485
01:16:41,530 --> 01:16:39,260
shock because I didn't I didn't saw him

1486
01:16:45,310 --> 01:16:41,540
psoriasis then I've never suffered from

1487
01:16:48,750 --> 01:16:45,320
it since so then little things it makes

1488
01:16:51,790 --> 01:16:48,760
you wonder well here I am

1489
01:16:53,830 --> 01:16:51,800
nearly forty back 30 a year ago name

1490
01:16:58,930 --> 01:16:53,840
shall survived if I didn't get out

1491
01:17:03,340 --> 01:16:58,940
doctor they got so I did survive but now

1492
01:17:06,750 --> 01:17:03,350
okay no I was gonna say so now uh you

1493
01:17:09,970 --> 01:17:06,760
know you say you survived but I mean the

1494
01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:09,980
authorities and the government just

1495
01:17:15,730 --> 01:17:11,450
really ran you through the ringer

1496
01:17:20,890 --> 01:17:15,740
afterwards didn't they yes it's it

1497
01:17:25,180 --> 01:17:20,900
started little bits of things happening

1498
01:17:29,470 --> 01:17:25,190
like or aggravating things you know I've

1499
01:17:35,020 --> 01:17:29,480
been seriously injured in 1977 I think

1500
01:17:36,970 --> 01:17:35,030
he was in the groin area and I was off

1501
01:17:40,060 --> 01:17:36,980
for a little while with that but the

1502
01:17:43,060 --> 01:17:40,070
injury it meant they wanted me to ride a

1503
01:17:45,010 --> 01:17:43,070
push bike pedal cycle mm-hmm

1504
01:17:49,180 --> 01:17:45,020
and obviously I said I can't ride that

1505
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:49,190
if it is too uncomfortable these little

1506
01:17:55,480 --> 01:17:50,690
things on that but then he got more

1507
01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:55,490
serious yeah I was off one day and

1508
01:18:01,060 --> 01:17:58,640
became a colleague of mine Jack Brown I

1509
01:18:02,250 --> 01:18:01,070
mention him in the book of course

1510
01:18:04,470 --> 01:18:02,260
[Music]

1511
01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:04,480
he came to pay he was in uniform and I

1512
01:18:09,330 --> 01:18:07,600
was in severe civilian clothing panty up

1513
01:18:12,570 --> 01:18:09,340
he was had been ordered to take me to

1514
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:12,580
Stan Lee Roy hospital in Wakefield which

1515
01:18:17,570 --> 01:18:14,890
is a psychiatric hospital but we didn't

1516
01:18:21,570 --> 01:18:17,580
I didn't know at the time and I was

1517
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:21,580
interviewed there by two psychiatrists

1518
01:18:29,820 --> 01:18:24,850
sat behind wig big old desk and a lady

1519
01:18:31,950 --> 01:18:29,830
shot to their left taking notes

1520
01:18:36,030 --> 01:18:31,960
Jack thankfully came into the room we

1521
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:36,040
met at my request and I asked him what

1522
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:38,050
what it was all about I thought I'd gone

1523
01:18:44,910 --> 01:18:40,210
for a physical medical about me injury

1524
01:18:49,890 --> 01:18:44,920
and no they said that I was there to

1525
01:18:52,140 --> 01:18:49,900
test my sanity view like he was and he

1526
01:18:56,580 --> 01:18:52,150
they were going on and on and on in the

1527
01:18:59,570 --> 01:18:56,590
end Jack got to intervene and said and

1528
01:19:02,340 --> 01:18:59,580
he stopped the interview and said look

1529
01:19:05,850 --> 01:19:02,350
what you're talking about what happened

1530
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:05,860
two year ago and you know he's been

1531
01:19:10,350 --> 01:19:07,810
working ever since - honey why is all

1532
01:19:12,150 --> 01:19:10,360
this suddenly come out and they were a

1533
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:12,160
bit annoyed actually that they've been

1534
01:19:19,590 --> 01:19:14,170
they have been led to believe that I was

1535
01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:19,600
having what's the word seeing things and

1536
01:19:26,100 --> 01:19:23,920
stuff hallucinations yeah yeah and I

1537
01:19:29,610 --> 01:19:26,110
said you know no no that's a lord

1538
01:19:32,610 --> 01:19:29,620
nonsense is it I was actually work you

1539
01:19:37,820 --> 01:19:32,620
know to yesterday I've been in I was CID

1540
01:19:43,130 --> 01:19:40,080
they thought they were told it that was

1541
01:19:46,500 --> 01:19:43,140
off you know I mean these elucidation

1542
01:19:49,470 --> 01:19:46,510
let me let me s Darrell something here

1543
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:49,480
now Darrell okay so you've investigated

1544
01:19:54,270 --> 01:19:52,090
how many cases all together would you

1545
01:19:58,170 --> 01:19:54,280
say well I have two thousand clients

1546
01:20:02,250 --> 01:19:58,180
worldwide inside literally investigated

1547
01:20:06,690 --> 01:20:02,260
over 50 years just thousand tens of

1548
01:20:09,870 --> 01:20:06,700
thousands and and what what effect I

1549
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:09,880
mean have people okay some of these

1550
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:11,530
people obviously maybe we're not too

1551
01:20:16,230 --> 01:20:14,770
stable to begin with would you say I

1552
01:20:18,650 --> 01:20:16,240
mean but that's not this

1553
01:20:22,710 --> 01:20:18,660
the people that are unstable can't have

1554
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:22,720
legitimate UFO experiences our contacts

1555
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:25,090
either right I mean - Casey has two

1556
01:20:29,130 --> 01:20:27,370
answers for that first as well most

1557
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:29,140
abductees that I've worked with and I've

1558
01:20:36,210 --> 01:20:31,690
worked with them all over the world are

1559
01:20:38,790 --> 01:20:36,220
very stable people it is very rare to

1560
01:20:43,050 --> 01:20:38,800
find somebody that is not stable but I

1561
01:20:44,940 --> 01:20:43,060
had two people sent to me from MHMR

1562
01:20:49,890 --> 01:20:44,950
that's mental health and [\h__\h] mental

1563
01:20:53,730 --> 01:20:49,900
retardation and I asked the guy why he

1564
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:53,740
was there and he said well I don't want

1565
01:20:57,060 --> 01:20:54,850
to tell you and I said if you don't

1566
01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:57,070
don't tell me now I'll run you out of

1567
01:21:00,990 --> 01:20:57,370
here

1568
01:21:04,830 --> 01:21:01,000
and he did and he said my psychiatrist

1569
01:21:07,110 --> 01:21:04,840
since you sent me and I said why and he

1570
01:21:10,530 --> 01:21:07,120
like I got her number and I called her I

1571
01:21:13,440 --> 01:21:10,540
said why did you send him to me he's

1572
01:21:15,480 --> 01:21:13,450
obviously a mental patient and she said

1573
01:21:18,030 --> 01:21:15,490
I know it and I know his trauma I know

1574
01:21:21,900 --> 01:21:18,040
his condition however I thought you can

1575
01:21:25,290 --> 01:21:21,910
help him now what she didn't tell me was

1576
01:21:29,070 --> 01:21:25,300
she had the same marks on her that she

1577
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:29,080
saw on him in her vent and she was using

1578
01:21:38,220 --> 01:21:32,050
him to get information so with her she

1579
01:21:40,700 --> 01:21:38,230
won't ask me as a doctor - mhm do these

1580
01:21:43,290 --> 01:21:40,710
people are they are they overly

1581
01:21:47,180 --> 01:21:43,300
traumatized there do some of them just

1582
01:21:53,190 --> 01:21:47,190
kind of you know a brush it off or most

1583
01:21:57,510 --> 01:21:53,200
most of the people about 60% can can

1584
01:22:00,990 --> 01:21:57,520
live with it and about another 20% are

1585
01:22:02,190 --> 01:22:01,000
at 10 20 % have a real tough time with

1586
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:02,200
it

1587
01:22:09,210 --> 01:22:05,050
they they look at my senior investigator

1588
01:22:12,390 --> 01:22:09,220
Dale muster is a an engineer he was

1589
01:22:14,550 --> 01:22:12,400
looking at his video and he's the one

1590
01:22:17,430 --> 01:22:14,560
that ended up in another state with

1591
01:22:20,970 --> 01:22:17,440
another guy on a vacation and wrong guys

1592
01:22:23,130 --> 01:22:20,980
driving the truck and he just can't

1593
01:22:25,650 --> 01:22:23,140
believe he got a an implant through the

1594
01:22:27,810 --> 01:22:25,660
center of his forehead and of course he

1595
01:22:29,250 --> 01:22:27,820
just said I see myself screaming and

1596
01:22:30,010 --> 01:22:29,260
everything on the film I don't believe

1597
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:30,020
it I just can't

1598
01:22:34,900 --> 01:22:33,170
Vivat he goes in the bathroom pulls back

1599
01:22:38,950 --> 01:22:34,910
the folds of his skin on his forehead

1600
01:22:43,150 --> 01:22:38,960
and finds a scar of where the needle

1601
01:22:47,110 --> 01:22:43,160
went in and he just said I just I just

1602
01:22:50,350 --> 01:22:47,120
can't hard I can't hardly imagine this

1603
01:22:53,020 --> 01:22:50,360
and not worked with professional people

1604
01:22:55,420 --> 01:22:53,030
as well and who had these events and

1605
01:22:58,540 --> 01:22:55,430
they are just it just beyond the pale

1606
01:23:01,600 --> 01:22:58,550
they just but one lady was also one of

1607
01:23:05,380 --> 01:23:01,610
his colleagues an engineer and she said

1608
01:23:07,210 --> 01:23:05,390
I fill out your forms and 35 of the 33

1609
01:23:10,210 --> 01:23:07,220
of the 35 markers you have for

1610
01:23:12,670 --> 01:23:10,220
abductions are on my chart I said okay

1611
01:23:15,190 --> 01:23:12,680
[\h__\h] so do you think on abductee I said

1612
01:23:18,340 --> 01:23:15,200
I have no idea I can't make you one I

1613
01:23:21,490 --> 01:23:18,350
can't make you not one long story short

1614
01:23:23,650 --> 01:23:21,500
said it took her a year she said I want

1615
01:23:26,890 --> 01:23:23,660
to I want you to work with me I said

1616
01:23:28,480 --> 01:23:26,900
okay and I said well I'm not an abductee

1617
01:23:33,250 --> 01:23:28,490
I said I didn't say you were and you

1618
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:33,260
probably aren't long story short is her

1619
01:23:41,380 --> 01:23:39,770
events showed that she is she her first

1620
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:41,390
event occurred when she was very very

1621
01:23:46,270 --> 01:23:42,890
young and that's true with most of these

1622
01:23:48,550 --> 01:23:46,280
people not all of them most of them the

1623
01:23:52,210 --> 01:23:48,560
fact that she was watching a cow get

1624
01:23:54,790 --> 01:23:52,220
mutilated alive in a room as she walked

1625
01:23:56,440 --> 01:23:54,800
through the hallway she's that just

1626
01:23:58,720 --> 01:23:56,450
doesn't make kids don't make stuff up

1627
01:24:01,090 --> 01:23:58,730
like that I've never I don't even know

1628
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:01,100
what a cattle mutilation is and there

1629
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:01,930
was there they are

1630
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:04,610
cutting to utter off of this thing and

1631
01:24:10,810 --> 01:24:07,130
it's screaming and bellowing and so on

1632
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:10,820
and she that just can't be true I said I

1633
01:24:16,150 --> 01:24:13,730
know and I looked at her and smile this

1634
01:24:19,060 --> 01:24:16,160
is sleep and she went back and finished

1635
01:24:23,980 --> 01:24:19,070
the story they have a tough time with it

1636
01:24:27,820 --> 01:24:23,990
they really do I know I did well now the

1637
01:24:31,150 --> 01:24:27,830
these implants that you have what what

1638
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:31,160
parts of the body have now I know dr.

1639
01:24:37,060 --> 01:24:34,970
Leir who's now a deceased did he not

1640
01:24:39,910 --> 01:24:37,070
work with taking implants out of

1641
01:24:43,850 --> 01:24:39,920
people's the areas of their feed right

1642
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:43,860
only the feet he started under me back

1643
01:24:52,459 --> 01:24:50,850
in 1998 95 and I had him worked for me

1644
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:52,469
for while he was only a podiatrist he

1645
01:24:59,000 --> 01:24:56,250
wasn't an MD so I hired the doctors to

1646
01:25:00,560 --> 01:24:59,010
to remove the implants and I would do

1647
01:25:04,129 --> 01:25:00,570
that not a kind of seizure with the

1648
01:25:08,209 --> 01:25:04,139
patients when necessary but the fact is

1649
01:25:11,629 --> 01:25:08,219
that we found the first Roger Broder who

1650
01:25:13,399 --> 01:25:11,639
wrote wrote a book and I said why did

1651
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:13,409
you put off that all the implants from

1652
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:16,050
the left side because that's you showed

1653
01:25:22,189 --> 01:25:18,960
me that I said no I only showed you once

1654
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:22,199
there were on the left side I see you

1655
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:23,610
don't know what she's talking about stop

1656
01:25:28,340 --> 01:25:26,610
writing this stuff and so I showed him

1657
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:28,350
implants were on the left side on the

1658
01:25:32,540 --> 01:25:30,449
right side and I showed him the ones

1659
01:25:34,490 --> 01:25:32,550
that rent in the middle from the head on

1660
01:25:38,510 --> 01:25:34,500
the front of my book on implants I've

1661
01:25:42,590 --> 01:25:38,520
got an implant the size of a lifesaver

1662
01:25:44,379 --> 01:25:42,600
in a lady's right hemisphere two years

1663
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:44,389
later it moves to the other hemisphere

1664
01:25:51,590 --> 01:25:49,290
and later it disappears she's got one in

1665
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:51,600
her arm right now that's fascinating so

1666
01:25:56,300 --> 01:25:53,610
I'm going to go down and we'll have that

1667
01:25:57,709 --> 01:25:56,310
removed but the point is that implants

1668
01:25:59,470 --> 01:25:57,719
are very rare and I want your audience

1669
01:26:02,390 --> 01:25:59,480
to understand that they're very rare

1670
01:26:04,129 --> 01:26:02,400
that I know there are people out there

1671
01:26:06,590 --> 01:26:04,139
and some of them are in the conference's

1672
01:26:08,510 --> 01:26:06,600
I go to and they tell people oh you've

1673
01:26:11,270 --> 01:26:08,520
got fluorescence you've got implants

1674
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:11,280
you've got everything in most cases you

1675
01:26:16,310 --> 01:26:14,730
don't it's just not true and I just hate

1676
01:26:17,660 --> 01:26:16,320
it when people scare people like that

1677
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:17,670
when it's just no need to

1678
01:26:25,220 --> 01:26:21,090
I discovered implants in 1960 in my own

1679
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:25,230
event at age 12 and I was wide awake and

1680
01:26:32,410 --> 01:26:28,170
and what what exactly I mean are the the

1681
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:32,420
implants Arthur the monitoring devices

1682
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:34,530
that would be easier to call him a

1683
01:26:38,810 --> 01:26:36,330
monitoring device than a tracking device

1684
01:26:41,090 --> 01:26:38,820
people say well they're tracking my said

1685
01:26:42,950 --> 01:26:41,100
no they're not I said if they were

1686
01:26:45,620 --> 01:26:42,960
tracking you I said how did they find

1687
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:45,630
you to begin with well how do you think

1688
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:46,770
they found me I said through your

1689
01:26:54,410 --> 01:26:50,010
parents I said it's your lineage they're

1690
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:54,420
interested in not you the lineage I said

1691
01:26:57,510 --> 01:26:56,610
if you're 45% Native American Indian

1692
01:27:00,330 --> 01:26:57,520
your

1693
01:27:03,180 --> 01:27:00,340
chances are 45% better at you're going

1694
01:27:06,330 --> 01:27:03,190
to get taken Native American Indian

1695
01:27:08,550 --> 01:27:06,340
Irish Celtic 45% and are the statistics

1696
01:27:12,630 --> 01:27:08,560
that we kept on these people we started

1697
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:12,640
that back in the 1980s and but 55

1698
01:27:15,930 --> 01:27:13,930
percent of people are not Native

1699
01:27:17,670 --> 01:27:15,940
American Indian they're just not so

1700
01:27:22,650 --> 01:27:17,680
they're getting all kinds of people

1701
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:22,660
black people overall don't tell people

1702
01:27:26,340 --> 01:27:24,370
about their abductions if they have them

1703
01:27:29,370 --> 01:27:26,350
they they're very private about that

1704
01:27:30,930 --> 01:27:29,380
I've got one black family that back in

1705
01:27:32,730 --> 01:27:30,940
Pennsylvania and all of them in the

1706
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:32,740
entire family and three generations or

1707
01:27:35,100 --> 01:27:34,810
all abductees with the exception of the

1708
01:27:42,930 --> 01:27:35,110
father

1709
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:42,940
well Tim go ahead yes go ahead

1710
01:27:46,440 --> 01:27:44,410
well I'm going to have to go there

1711
01:27:48,660 --> 01:27:46,450
because it's nearly five o'clock in the

1712
01:27:50,490 --> 01:27:48,670
morning here and I'm falling asleep on

1713
01:27:52,170 --> 01:27:50,500
Portia I've been listening to Darrell

1714
01:27:56,220 --> 01:27:52,180
it's fascinated me while he's been

1715
01:27:59,220 --> 01:27:56,230
saying a lot of thing if anybody is

1716
01:28:03,840 --> 01:27:59,230
interested in the book rather than buy

1717
01:28:07,730 --> 01:28:03,850
it on Amazon I prefer eBay because I I

1718
01:28:09,810 --> 01:28:07,740
can it could the orders come to me and I

1719
01:28:13,230 --> 01:28:09,820
assign each book and if they want

1720
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:13,240
anything you know they dedicated to

1721
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:15,850
somebody happy but whatever I'll do that

1722
01:28:21,660 --> 01:28:18,850
for them but if they want the book they

1723
01:28:23,610 --> 01:28:21,670
can get it on eBay by entering the title

1724
01:28:25,020 --> 01:28:23,620
of the book not mine in because if you

1725
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:25,030
said before there's a lots of Alan

1726
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:30,730
Godfrey's so it's by the title who or

1727
01:28:36,750 --> 01:28:34,570
what were they and it's on eBay and I

1728
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:36,760
saw quite a lot in America already and

1729
01:28:43,020 --> 01:28:39,250
in fact one of them actually I'm very

1730
01:28:52,770 --> 01:28:43,030
proud of because he's he or she a guy

1731
01:28:57,780 --> 01:28:52,780
Remini lived in the Bronx I won't ever

1732
01:29:03,030 --> 01:28:57,790
see any yeah well it's not not too far

1733
01:29:05,010 --> 01:29:03,040
from here in the Bronx some way to take

1734
01:29:08,490 --> 01:29:05,020
a little subway ride up to the Yankee

1735
01:29:10,500 --> 01:29:08,500
Stadium and catch the game and come

1736
01:29:11,490 --> 01:29:10,510
coming back you can read it you could

1737
01:29:15,030 --> 01:29:11,500
read it on the sub

1738
01:29:19,110 --> 01:29:15,040
and I must say Allen it is a wonderfully

1739
01:29:22,500 --> 01:29:19,120
written book because it's not just about

1740
01:29:25,020 --> 01:29:22,510
your UFO experiences but it gives a

1741
01:29:29,010 --> 01:29:25,030
great insight into your into your

1742
01:29:31,380 --> 01:29:29,020
background and as well and we just know

1743
01:29:33,990 --> 01:29:31,390
it's not G it's just not like a g-wiz

1744
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:34,000
book like you know I shuttle around in

1745
01:29:39,660 --> 01:29:37,810
space and they're aliens contact me I

1746
01:29:43,740 --> 01:29:39,670
mean you you feel that you

1747
01:29:46,610 --> 01:29:43,750
it has had impact on your on your life

1748
01:29:51,150 --> 01:29:46,620
and it is one of the most mysterious

1749
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:51,160
cases of of all of all time I would say

1750
01:29:56,340 --> 01:29:53,410
and I want to thank you get four for

1751
01:29:59,280 --> 01:29:56,350
coming on and hopefully we'll we'll try

1752
01:30:01,140 --> 01:29:59,290
to get in the future and a best of luck

1753
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:01,150
it to you and keep away from those

1754
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:06,130
little gray guys I have to say sorry for

1755
01:30:11,820 --> 01:30:08,370
not hanging on to the bitter end but

1756
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:11,830
unfortunately I've been awake now for 24

1757
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:13,690
hours and I think it's catching up with

1758
01:30:21,210 --> 01:30:16,930
me I am 70 all right will you take you

1759
01:30:24,060 --> 01:30:21,220
take care over there say British our

1760
01:30:29,250 --> 01:30:24,070
British friends yeah thank you very much

1761
01:30:34,740 --> 01:30:29,260
Tim Tim yeah it's an honor to meet you

1762
01:30:36,570 --> 01:30:34,750
but I know what a wonderful wonderful

1763
01:30:39,480 --> 01:30:36,580
story I mean it's just so you could just

1764
01:30:42,140 --> 01:30:39,490
tell the sincerity and and it's it's

1765
01:30:45,930 --> 01:30:42,150
just I mean would you say they're a

1766
01:30:49,710 --> 01:30:45,940
darryl i mean he has this episode in his

1767
01:30:53,130 --> 01:30:49,720
life where he he sees this individual up

1768
01:30:56,220 --> 01:30:53,140
in the cold down there i mean do you

1769
01:30:58,230 --> 01:30:56,230
think that the later experience that he

1770
01:31:00,900 --> 01:30:58,240
had himself was a setup i mean do they

1771
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:00,910
is there a connection between the two

1772
01:31:09,750 --> 01:31:04,930
events it seems it seems anecdotal that

1773
01:31:11,340 --> 01:31:09,760
that is the case it is beyond me to say

1774
01:31:14,490 --> 01:31:11,350
it is ron could i don't know the case

1775
01:31:17,010 --> 01:31:14,500
perfectly but he has done a good job as

1776
01:31:19,830 --> 01:31:17,020
a police officer and certainly as an

1777
01:31:21,870 --> 01:31:19,840
honest man to forget to the bottom of

1778
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:21,880
his own case and it's it's still eating

1779
01:31:25,370 --> 01:31:24,610
his lunch to this day and he's just a

1780
01:31:28,169 --> 01:31:25,380
decent

1781
01:31:30,660 --> 01:31:28,179
what would you say that there there is

1782
01:31:33,209 --> 01:31:30,670
the people that have these experiences

1783
01:31:35,939 --> 01:31:33,219
well can you give us one cat one case of

1784
01:31:39,330 --> 01:31:35,949
a let's say a family or an individual

1785
01:31:42,060 --> 01:31:39,340
that's seems to have more experiences

1786
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:42,070
than anyone else or are more verifiable

1787
01:31:49,589 --> 01:31:46,570
experiences sure one of the primary

1788
01:31:52,350 --> 01:31:49,599
people was that black family I talked

1789
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:52,360
about the black family they are all

1790
01:31:57,390 --> 01:31:54,730
abductees except for the father who did

1791
01:32:00,660 --> 01:31:57,400
not believe a word of it any of it

1792
01:32:04,970 --> 01:32:00,670
long story short on this one is simply

1793
01:32:08,370 --> 01:32:04,980
that went up to investigate the case and

1794
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:08,380
the there was a handprint on the wall

1795
01:32:14,819 --> 01:32:12,010
and it I was fascinated by the hand

1796
01:32:16,140 --> 01:32:14,829
printing the mother took a bathroom

1797
01:32:18,890 --> 01:32:16,150
marker and drew around it and as the

1798
01:32:21,239 --> 01:32:18,900
police don't tamper with evidence ever

1799
01:32:24,419 --> 01:32:21,249
she last won't you be able to sit I said

1800
01:32:26,549 --> 01:32:24,429
sweetie I could see it for a mile and I

1801
01:32:27,870 --> 01:32:26,559
said I came here for evidence she said

1802
01:32:29,759 --> 01:32:27,880
well you just take anything he want and

1803
01:32:32,609 --> 01:32:29,769
I said I want got a hold of your wall

1804
01:32:34,799 --> 01:32:32,619
take that Chi Rock with me she says okay

1805
01:32:36,989 --> 01:32:34,809
I'm cutting it out and everything and

1806
01:32:39,020 --> 01:32:36,999
her husband walks in horrified I'm

1807
01:32:43,500 --> 01:32:39,030
cutting hold the wall

1808
01:32:46,140 --> 01:32:43,510
he gets mad at me and she's about he's

1809
01:32:49,799 --> 01:32:46,150
about five five and she's about six foot

1810
01:32:53,549 --> 01:32:49,809
two and she said I told mr. Simms

1811
01:32:56,790 --> 01:32:53,559
anything he won't he get that's it and

1812
01:33:00,989 --> 01:32:56,800
he backed off of that real quick so I

1813
01:33:02,879 --> 01:33:00,999
still have the the hand and I had the

1814
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:02,889
camera going and I had him turn the

1815
01:33:07,799 --> 01:33:04,570
camera off for a second had young a

1816
01:33:10,319 --> 01:33:07,809
young boy a 16 year old boy in the room

1817
01:33:11,700 --> 01:33:10,329
and it was his room and I said I'm gonna

1818
01:33:13,049 --> 01:33:11,710
ask you a question I'm gonna give you a

1819
01:33:16,229 --> 01:33:13,059
chance to clean this up

1820
01:33:17,910 --> 01:33:16,239
he said what do you mean I said if I I'm

1821
01:33:21,419 --> 01:33:17,920
gonna go over and take a DNA sample off

1822
01:33:23,750 --> 01:33:21,429
that wall with that hand prints at if I

1823
01:33:26,220 --> 01:33:23,760
find out this lotion or something else

1824
01:33:30,629 --> 01:33:26,230
now would be a good time for you to say

1825
01:33:33,899 --> 01:33:30,639
that or I turn the camera mm-hmm and he

1826
01:33:36,089 --> 01:33:33,909
looked at me and said no sir I have

1827
01:33:38,340 --> 01:33:36,099
nothing nothing to change he said it's

1828
01:33:40,230 --> 01:33:38,350
it's as I found it

1829
01:33:41,550 --> 01:33:40,240
to come from he said well the beam comes

1830
01:33:43,890 --> 01:33:41,560
from in the closet

1831
01:33:45,570 --> 01:33:43,900
and which is very consistent with many

1832
01:33:47,340 --> 01:33:45,580
of these stories raised many of these

1833
01:33:49,290 --> 01:33:47,350
people have phobias of closets or

1834
01:33:51,750 --> 01:33:49,300
bathrooms have to have the door open or

1835
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:51,760
closed all the time one of the two but

1836
01:33:57,810 --> 01:33:54,610
anyway the little girl downstairs

1837
01:33:59,640 --> 01:33:57,820
the granddaughter would never been

1838
01:34:02,610 --> 01:33:59,650
upstairs in that and has never allowed

1839
01:34:06,060 --> 01:34:02,620
in his room ever because that hand on

1840
01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:06,070
the wall I worked with her and in

1841
01:34:11,790 --> 01:34:08,290
hypnosis she drew the exact same hand

1842
01:34:14,550 --> 01:34:11,800
the exact same unbelievable and the

1843
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:14,560
incredible thing about that is that hand

1844
01:34:22,100 --> 01:34:19,690
shows up 15 years earlier in photography

1845
01:34:23,850 --> 01:34:22,110
I've got a picture of the great alien

1846
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:23,860
who it belongs to

1847
01:34:32,460 --> 01:34:28,650
and it's 8 by 10 color and I've a

1848
01:34:36,300 --> 01:34:32,470
surgical nurse took the picture at a

1849
01:34:37,470 --> 01:34:36,310
illegal immigrants home in 1992 - they

1850
01:34:38,820 --> 01:34:37,480
thought they had ghosts or something

1851
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:38,830
like that and they were got scared and

1852
01:34:42,810 --> 01:34:41,170
they she's a friend of theirs they call

1853
01:34:45,060 --> 01:34:42,820
her at 2:30 in morning she goes up there

1854
01:34:47,730 --> 01:34:45,070
with the camera and films hey are you

1855
01:34:50,310 --> 01:34:47,740
ready for this in the same photograph

1856
01:34:53,010 --> 01:34:50,320
I've got a picture of a mantis being mmm

1857
01:34:54,870 --> 01:34:53,020
and a grey alien Wow and if they do not

1858
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look like the Hollywood version of any

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of this stuff

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all right Daryl I am going to have to

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stop you here because we are absolutely

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out of time give our listeners your

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website or where they can find you

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online real quick before we have leave

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that go to wwa lien hunter org ort and

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just click on Alien Hunter and I answer

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all my email I'll be got answering to

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your questions that you have all right

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well thank you very much Daryl pleasure

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talking to you tonight and be sure to

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look out for our book UFO hostility so

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for now exactly Tim Beckley and myself

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thanks for listening and we'll be back

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you've been listening to exploring the

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search of the truly bizarre and totally

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unexplained with you as their combined

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